Just wow, I can't believe the type of church that Obama attends and has attended for 20+ years. It is no wonder Michelle Obama is only recently proud of her country. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPtN9LnPnrk
I can't believe some of the crap his minister was saying at a Christmas service. It is certainly not like any Christmas church services that I have attended. Plus his support of Farrakhan is inexcusable. It does make me wonder how much of this Obama agrees with considering he and his wife have chosen to support this church for two decades.
So no more "Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a Muslim"? Not enough market share? What happens if the New and Improved doesn't play in Peoria?
Well, you don't always spell people's names correctly. It's hard to tell who you're talking about. What's the meme this week?
He might be but there was nothing in that clip to show he is, just a bunch of Louis Farrakhan quotes who Obama has already denounced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prhnc2fxAzg&feature=related Try that one than Ryan. Maybe it will suit your needs better.
It's not the YouTube clip I based that on. But his support of Calypso Louie automatically qualifies him as a racist. And if Obama really was bothered by it, he'd find another church. The fact that he keeps his membership in Wright's church must mean that he really isn't too upset by it.
Plus it shouldn't be any wonder why Michelle Obama has the negative views of the country that she seems to have. Her spiritual leader is feeding her some rather unkind information.
When you hear "God damn the United States" from your pastor, it's kinda hard to take a lot of pride in your country, regardless of how flawed it is. http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?status=article&id=285292746454291&secid=1501
BO's getting a huge pass on his church. Maybe Ferraro's right. He really is where he is because he's black. If he was a member of a white supremacist based church he'd be run out of the country.
Sheesh. Have any of you seen some of the religious freaks from whom McCain personally solicits advice and endorsements? Nothing in Obama's church comes close to comparing to the rampaging religious paranoia and hatred of a John Hagee. I'm not comfortable with Obama's overt religiosity, but unless you want to be a massive hypocrite you simply can't credibly attack his church on grounds like these without writing off McCain and pretty much the entire Republican party.
Which I've done, and will continue to do. So, I pretty much have a free pass to rip Obama a new one, eh?
We shouldn't attack B. Hussein Obama for having a nutty pastor because Old Man McCain briefly campaigned with a kook in Texas?
It has been alleged that Obama disagrees with the statements, yet he still apparently claims to be a member of this church.
Funny how the media chased Romeny all over the place about Mormonism yet ignores Obama's church. His church is truly vile. He himself said he was looking for a church before he found this one. He's been with them for almost twenty years. The pastor married him and his wife, baptized their children. He uses one of the pastors speeches as a title to a book his wrote. Just as recently as 2006 he was donating money to this church. To say that it has no influence on him is clearly a lie. It is important. It should be brought up in the campaign. I don't want no guy for President who belongs to a church like this cause God only knows what ideas, half-truths and out-right lies have been stuffed in Obama's head. If Obama is a Republican then all hell breaks loose over this issue. Hell he might not be where he is today because of this church if he was a Republican. And Pardot do I get a free pass to criticize too? After all I'm voting Obama just to spite the GOP. Yes I know voting for him contradicts what I wrote above but I was serious when I said I wouldn't vote McCain. Thankfully Obama will do such a craptastic job as President that we will only suffer four years under him.
The "hey, look over there!" gambit only works in the movies. Besides, I can't think of any McCain supporters here off the top of my head. I'm sure they're out there, but most conservatives I know have hated McCain for years and it has nothing to do with John Hagee.
I see Pardot has run out of valid arguments, and is reduced to, "Well, your guy is no better." Now it is well known that I am no McCain supporter, but the influence in one's thinking of associating with some whacko for political gain, and attending a church for 20 years, just isn't comparable. This is reaching, even for Pardot.
Can't get YouTube at work.....but this preacher needs to get his ass on a "God damn" one-way jet to any shithole of his choosing. Also, how is 9/11 payback for oppressing "people of color?" Arab Muslims in sub-Saharan Africa oppress the shit out of blacks 24/7, so wouldn't they crash an oxcart into a two-story mud-brick Mosque for their "wakeup call"?
Umm, so what's the problem, other than certain people with agendas that want to paint false pictures that can be warped into bullshit that has nothing to do with reality?
It is also worth noting that he considers "three-strike laws" to be one of the ways white people "oppress" black people, and one of the reasons for which God is supposed to punish America. What's that supposed to mean? That blacks should be allowed to commit crimes repeatedly? This guy is a wierdo. As bad as the very worst fundamentalists I have ever seen, even though he isn't even close to being a fundamentalist. Actually, he's just a racist hate-monger. And I find that acceptable. In a free country, people should have the right to be both racist and hate-mongers. What I find more worriesome is that Barak Obama, very likely the next president of the United States, has felt comfortable in his church for 20 years. That bothers me even more than Mitt Romney being a Mormon. (And a very reasonable one, when it comes right down to it.) And Obama's statement that he "believes in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change," and him saying that his faith has led him to question "the idolatry of the free market" (see the article Bulldog posted), is even worse than Huckabee's desire to reform the Constitution in order to bring it in line with God's will. At least old Huck was willing to take the thing to the people (where he wouldn't have a ghost of a chance of succeeding). Obama seems to be already decided, on the basis of his faith, how the country should be run. I used to consider him simply a nice-talking empty suit, decidedly far left but not really dangerous. He is fast convincing me to vote for McCain after all, and I would have thought, even a month ago, that that would be almost impossible to do.
So Obama can be in a church where this guy spews this kind of rhetoric regularly, and not consider that particularly controversial, and you don't see the problem? If he had said, "This guy is really out in left field, and he has said so many crazy things I just can't agree with that I finally had to leave the church," I would agree with you. But if Obama considers it merely a few things he doesn't agree with, but overall doesn't think that a pastor saying that kind of thing regularly is "controversial," then there is a major problem. And if you can't see that there is a problem, then I am afraid I must say that you are part of the problem.
You're right. It's not comparable because Obama has repudiated the whacko things his pastor says, while McCain has fully embraced the whackery of numerous right-wing fundies, after vehemently blasting them in 2000. The former is honest while the latter is an untrustworthy, political hack. Thanks for pointing that out.
