Beer Ettiquette question... (BeerForge Assemble!)

$9? Pfff. Try $12.50 for a large imported beer at a Dodgers game. There's a reason I call it liquid gold.

I do try to restrain myself and be patient, but I would eventually confront. Done it before, and I'm sure I'll have to do it again.

That's a no-shitter, right there. I do go out of my way to avoid causing inconvenience and annoyance when I can, and I expect nothing less of others.

You keep stating it as though it were an established fact, but you've done nothing to prove it's my duty to contain the impact of someone else's child. But fine, here goes. "Hey, asshole! Would you mind taking a little responsibility here?!?" How's that grab ya?

Not to mention any reason why the parent shouldn't be expected to do this himself. The implication here seems to be that it's perfectly righteous and justified for a parent to impose on others in a public venue, because it's too much of a burden on those parents to control their kids at all times. I reject that outright.

Got to side with my friend, Albert here. Putting the cup in the cup holder is all that can be reasonably expected of the guy to protect his beer. Then the guy did the polite thing and said it was okay because it was an accident. The father absolutely should have offered to buy a beer for the guy right then and there, but most certainly should have offered to pay for the next one when he could see the guy buying a beer right in front of him.

Another one in the "Dad shoulda caught the next round" camp, here.

I paid $8.75 for a beer at the local German restaurant. It was for a litre of spatan optimator and the gal bringing it had big tits. Its damn good beer and just over 8% alcohol by volume. One of them and you are pretty much done.

My kid spills somebody's beer? I'd feel obliged to replace the beer.

Actually, no, that is NOT the implication. The implication is that SHIT HAPPENS, despite anyone's best efforts, or lack thereof. And that it's not necessarily the parent's fault when kid spills the beer, because children are not fucking programmable robots and accidents DO happen!

Now I grant you that getting the dude a replacement beer would've been the cool thing to do, but...

if YOU don't protect YOUR stuff, why the FUCK should anyone else? Park your car too far from the curb? Guess what...it's gonna get sideswiped. Leave your house unlocked with lots of valuable goodies in it? Don't come crying to me when you get robbed. Set your beer down near an active child? Only Pollyanna would be surprised when it gets spilled!

That's the kind of beer Skin could see paying that much for -- IF Skin was gonna pay that much for a beer. And the big titted beermaiden would be obligatory, too.

Everything a child does is the parent's responsibility.

But, a sporting event has a high energy and, like an airplane ride, can be very exciting for a child. I will not punish my child for being a child. If the guy can't move his drink and allow a child to be a child - at a fucking sporting event, he probably shouldn't be going out in public.

Bullshit.

As was stated upthread, that washes at home, but gets no traction elsewhere. Out in public, the kid should fucking behave, and you, as a parent, should see to it. Even if there were no beer involved, there's still admission to the event (whether it's a sporting event, or a movie or some other kind of performance or attraction). If I paid money to get into it, your god damned kids better find a spot and stay in it. This idea about indulging your kids while they encroach on the little bit of real estate which I rented with the price of my ticket is wholly unreasonable. That goes double if they spill my liquid refreshment.

Leash 'em. Muzzle 'em. Install a subcutaneous, remote controlled electro-shock device. Do whatever it takes to keep them in line, but don't unleash their piss-poor behavior on everyone else and expect anyone to give their blessing. If you're unable to control the ankle-biters, it's you who shouldn't be going out in public.

If my kid did that (or if I accidentally did it), I'd insist on replacing it, even if the other person said I didn't have to.

I"m just curious how many people in this thread who are advocating hog-tying children to their seat, threatening them to within an inch of their lives, and generally keeping them duct-taped, mute & immobile (or alternatively, never letting them leave the house until they're 18 years old) have actually successfully raised kids?

Go on, a show of hands, please. I already know UA's answer.

Two, here. One now 19, the other 15.

And I've suggested nothing resembling the hyperbole in your post.

There is something telling in your supposition that only such draconian scenarios allow keeping one's children more or less in line in public.

And I say this as someone who has successfully raised two children to become respectable adults, thank you very much.

Actually, I'm basically just paraphrasing from above...

Written like someone who's never experienced the "joys" of child-rearing might...

And based on your apparent preferred methods (described above), I'm sure they're enjoying many productive sessions with their various therapists...

Oh, you mean expecting my children to behave when they're out in public? Hey, man, it's up to you if you want to raise spoiled fucking brats who don't know how to behave. That's what you indulgent parents do.

I'm sure your children are enjoying many productive years hammering out license plates.

Yes, I'm such a bad parent that my unruly child will end up in prison.

There is no chance whatsoever that that's true. Note the distinct lack of sarcasm being indicated. If you've raised children successfully then baba is a national champion speller.

for $9 that had better be one large glass of beer

and I say the father should have paid to replace the beer, and taken it out of the kids allowance, teach the brat a lesson, maybe it'll do him some good

Which is why you control YOUR child, and compensate those who your child screws over. It's not their responsibility to adapt to your irresponsibility.

Given your responses in this thread, the rest of us would probably prefer that you consider using such methods in the future since you're not an advocate for taking responsibiity for your child's actions.

I just fucking LOVE how disagreeing with the overbearing "How DARE you subject society to YOUR CHILDREN!!! *GASP*" crowd in this thread somehow magically equates to me not advocating taking responsibility for my kids actions. I've never said that, I don't believe it, and I don't practice it.

However, given the total venom spewed in this thread by those who are outraged that children dare to even EXIST, much less get exposed to society--and don't mistake the tone of replies in this thread...that is EXACTLY what's being put forth here--I have only this to say: Children are part of this world. They are not perfect human beings, but they're not supposed to be. They are learning. They will make mistakes. Their parents will sometimes screw up. This is not a perfect world, anyway. No one should expect it to be. Kids are part of society. If you can't deal with this, I suggest you go back to your lonely rooms and piss on a radiator or something!

^That's kind of a false dichotomy. The world outside is a world that is full of kids, agreed, and we all must accept the fact of kids when we interact with "society." But the parents nonetheless remain responsible for the consequences of the missteps of their kids, that's the parent's end of the implied 'social contract.'

^ Sure, but the focus in this thread seems to have shifted from parental responsibility to outrage over kids in general, and total lack of tolerance with regard to any potential missteps they may have, regardless of the severity. THAT is what I'm perceiving, and THAT is what I'm disagreeing with. I'd have no problem buying a replacement beer....