Bipartisan Support For War!

Not surprisingly, the establishment voted to continue to fund the military industrial complex. This is one thing I agree with Trump on. Hopefully he'll tell Congress to fuck off and pull troops out anyway. If I were Tulsi Gabbard, I'd jump all over this.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/senate-passes-bill-opposing-syria-afghanistan-troop-withdrawals/

Good. Those troops need to stay where they are for the time being.

Why?

The conflicts in those regions have not been resolved in a manner that favors our national interests.

What you called the "military industrial complex" is going to be funded no matter whether U.S. forces are engaging in combat overseas or not.

As a matter of fact if U.S. forces are NOT engaged in combat, funding for U.S. defense contractors will INCREASE as funds once used for munitions, combat pay, fuel, and field maintenance instead go to procurement.

While I probably disagree with you as to what constitutes our national interests, I do agree that it is premature to withdraw troops. Primarily because it would worsen the situations in those countries.

I don't know that I fully supported going into these countries to begin with, but since we're there, we can't just bolt and create further instability.

And they never will be. The CIA started the whole thing in the first place and Obama drew a line in the sand and called for Asaad to go with no real plan in place. How long should we waste our time there? We've been in Afghanistan for 18 years, kids who were born after 911 can now fight and die over there for a cause that is no longer relevant. In Damascus Christians celebrated Christmas in 2018 and were safe to do so. We've seen how regime changes have played out and the "rebels" we're supporting are freaking ISIS. I don't get the end goal here. Even Tucker Carlson calls bullshit on this. Tucker Carlson FFS.

Fuck Tucker Carlson.

Okay, refute the video then. What's the mission in Syria? Why do we need to be there? How long should we wage proxy wars that the CIA started? Why shouldn't Asaad be allowed to run the country? Why shouldn't Christians be allowed to come over? Fuck Tucker Carlson is not an argument.

Go fuck yourself, you idiot child.

For one Assad is a monstrous dictator who was the son of an equally or greater monstrous dictator. By their own actions they forfeited any "right" to run the country.
Now whether direct U.S. military action in Syria is the best course of action. Highly debatable. But basing this debate in any way on Assad being allowed to run the country is ridiculous.

So you can't answer the question then?

Speaking of which, happy 18th birthday kiddo.

Again I'll ask, what country in the region, besides Israel, isn't run by a dictator? That's not a reason to be involved.

When you've lost the argument, result to insults. Liberal tactics 101.

Why does that make a difference?

OK fine, have a terrible birthday then.

By that logic, we should invade every country ran by dictators. I know you don't have a problem with that, but most of the rest of the world would.

My problems with that idea are more practical than moral.

Either way it's a bad strategy and not a good excuse for being in Syria.

How about

1) It is a bad idea to allow a brutal dictator of a nation bordering Israel and a history of aggression against Israeli civilians be allowed free reign on the border of a U.S. ally.

2) It is a bad idea to allow the Russians an uncontested military presence in a nation that gives them unfettered port and support facility access in the Eastern Mediterranean where they can outflank NATO allies Greece and Turkey.

3) It is a bad idea to effectively abandon a large group of area locals (the Kurds) who have fought on behalf of U.S. interests for the last several decades.

4) It is a bad idea to abandon that region of northern Syria to the influence of a wannabe dictator like Turkey's Erdogan (NATO ally or not).

In general, when the U.S. retreats it creates a power vacuum. And nature abhors a vacuum. I guarantee you that whomever steps in to fill that vacuum in Syria WILL NOT be acting in the best interests of the United States.

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It's been proven time and time again that regime changes do not work.

2,000 troops aren't going to achieve another proxy war with Russia and that's not what Congress authorized the President to do.

Who said anything about abandoning them? We are forwardlly deployed in that area, we can jump in at any time if necessary.

Again, nobody's saying abandon them.

That's why we should go to the UN security council and try strike a deal with Russia to end this thing.

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The 200 plus Russian mercenaries/local supporters massacred by the U.S. troops in an engagement where the U.S. suffered no losses might make an argument about just how effective that handful of U.S. soldiers are.

That said no one expects the U.S. to go toe to toe with Russian forces in Syria. If that happens then the shit has so totally hit the fan that we've got one hell of a lot worse things to worry about than who runs Syria or the fate of ISIS.

"leaving" Syria means "abandoning". As when a man "leaves" his family he is considered to have "abandoned" them.

If having troops in Syria hasn't caused the Russians to make a deal with us over the conflict there what makes you think pulling troops out and going to the UN will have that result?

Hey look, 14th douche is agreeing with a warmonger who supports an unconstitutional invasion of a sovereign state. Who knew?

Go fuck yourself kid. I've said nothing about invading Syria or even increasing the number of U.S. troops already there.

Please forgive the use of a vulgarity.
Why are you so butthurt?

I’m not butthurt. I am; however concerned with the amount of support this is getting from both the left and the right considering the authorization being used as an excuse comes from the original authorization given to W. Seventeen fucking years ago. I find it interesting that the only justification for it it that because we are already there, we must continue to be there and nobody seems to acknowledge that the CIA started this whole thing and nobody is willing to entertain the idea of going to the UN to negotiate a peace. I’ve been reading a lot about it for the past few days and I realize I didn’t really know much about the situation. I’m now convinced we don’t need to be there and pulling out seems to me the right thing to do. I’m trying to make an effort to see past partisanship and the war mongering that the MSM is pushing. Unfortunately, most people here seem to be on board with this.

Are you talking about Syria now or Afghanistan?