Canada: Now with even less free speech rights.

You're flat out wrong. Now you're scrambling and making shit up.

Period.

It's indisputable.

Case Closed.

yes getting shot at random happens to .00001 percent of the population so it's amazing (to me) that we can even function with that constant threat hovering over us.

no wonder health insurance costs so much...and that's old data...

well then we need to teach these people how to shoot more accurately. More people coming in to the hospital DOA will cut that 74% right the fuck down with a quickness!

Very funny. According to Wikipedia (the home of rebuttal ... if you have proof), the US in 2013 had 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens). There were also 73,505 non-fatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens) --- the lucky ones who merely lost an eye or finished up with a colostomy bag.

So that's one "right" people in comparable Western countries are denied. (We are talking rights here.)

Anyway, the point (whether it eludes you or not) is that the rights we all cherish are very much alive and well in these countries. We'll see how they fare in the US.

People both in the US and in your gun violence free utopias have people missing eyes and shitting in bags from cancer, vehicle injury accidents, birth defects, drunken bar brawls, getting struck by lightning, etc.etc. It's a jungle out there - guns are just one risk among many. BTW not to shit on your data, but much of the gun violence (excluding suicide) is concentrated among certain demographics. We have a WF member living in Chicago (can't remember which one) who explained how those hundreds killed there every year is blown out of proportion and makes Chicago seem more dangerous than it is to the average resident. Also many people are shot more than once over their lifespan, so those 23.2 injuries per 100,000 people might be 23.2 injuries per 75,000 people (to use a nominal figure for argument's sake). Most US liberals have stopped beating the gun control drum for the most part - there are much, much bigger fish to fry that don't involve limiting the right to bear arms.

All a huge load of Special Pleading.

When you have to resort to citing birth defects (as if those don't occur in other countries as well) you sound kind of desperate.

I think this data is unshittable. And The Facts undeniable.

Call it what you want - I really don't care. I'm saying there are a lot of terrible things that befall people - gun violence is no better or worse than any other kind of preventable tragedy, like alcohol and drug injuries and fatalities. Those facts are undeniable too. Should I preach to you about the dangers of these?

Preaching is lame. Why don't you do something to eliminate it?

Except that people *do* take measures against these things. Forty years ago, most states had no laws against drunk driving until MADD pushed for such laws. Medicines come with labels listing possible side effects. We have gizmos for baby proofing the house and require children be strapped into booster seats till damn near college...and yes, the latter is a pain in the fucking ass, especially if you hit the fertility lotto and have twins before your first one is outta diapers. But that's progress.

Just as states (or in some cases individual counties or cities) *do* take measures against gun violence by restricting different types of guns or magazine capacity limits or waiting periods and what-have-you. Chicago has very strict gun control which seems to be working out quite well! Okay that's low-hanging fruit but there are other places with more restrictive gun control that still have a shit-ton of gun violence. But it's a start, right?

Right. When I was a little kid they hadn't even thought of seatbelts. I went head-first through a windshield at age four (which might explain a thing or two). I was standing on the front seat of a Morris Minor. People simply had no conception of road safety. And drove drunk all the time. So they died like flies.
My how things have changed.

Usually there's a signal event that shifts public opinion and lets government know that the political will now exists to take measures. In aviation (my individual obsession) I could rattle off a list of half a dozen crashes each of which marked some sort of major turning point -- they changed procedures or the whole system, developed needed technology, whatever.
Or the poisoned-Tylenol deaths in Chicago that led to a law requiring pill bottles to be sealed.

But because guns are such a politically uhh.. loaded subject, and the NRA so freaking powerful, no number of murderous shooting sprees will change anything.

(And good thing --- at least you don't have to worry about your kids being eaten by grizzly bears at school ....)

They might be so fucked up healthwise because your healthcare system is 75 years behind every other free country in the world... not too mention several of the unfree ones.
Not to shit on your preconceptions, but Chicago doesn't even crack the top 25 most violent or dangerous of cities lists...you aren't citing figures so much as making one up that isn't relevant to anything. I know you like to blame "certain demographics", but if you're going to slam Chicago for it's totals rather than it's percentages then you'll have apply that "logic" racially as well.
You keep claiming this right to bear arms, it's hardly a right unique to the USA, but it's one y'all can't seem to handle without killing the fuck out of each other.

You keep claiming this right to bear arms, it's hardly a right unique to the USA, but it's one y'all can't seem to handle without killing the fuck out of each other.- Space Turkey

What is your definition of "ya'll?" As I explained, certain demographic groups shoot each other up at much, much higher rates than others. So maybe those groups can't handle gun ownership as well as other groups. Let's take my county (Columbia County Georgia) - I don't know one family that doesn't own guns or have fast, easy access to a gun. Many homes have multiple weapons of every description. Our gun violence rate is very low. The adjacent county (Richmond) has a different demographic balance and they shoot each other up or commit armed robbery on a nearly daily basis. Zip codes matter. My point being....am I my brothers keeper?