The dems are not doing much better with the blatant tactics against6 bernie. What is worse is the hillary camp is so screwed up that she ended up losing nevada because her caucus delegates never showed up. Then she is calling the police on her own people reporting them for tresspassing because she is angry. There is a media brownout on bernie, and they are spinning down his campaign like crazy. You know he is better because faux news is not helping him out.
Perhaps this is exactly what the republican party needs and wants. Trump has really gathered up a lot of the garbage of the party. If all the trump voters go and form a new party the real republicans might be able to shift to moderate and suck off the conservative left. As long as the evangelicals go with the racists the republicn party may just wash itself clean of it's shit.
Okay so some wrong things in this thread..... First Cruz had nothing to do with what happened in Colorado even though it ended up getting him all the delegates. Why? Well going back to 1912 Colorado had a no binding preference caucus for delegates meaning that any voting by the population was meaningless because the delegates could vote for whoever they want anyway. The point of the caucus was to elect the delegates. So candidates would work hard to get people loyal to them to get elected. In 2008 Colorado held non-binding straw-polls in addition to the way they chose delegates. Non-binding being the key word. The delegates could still vote however they wanted. So fast forward to 2015 and the GOP tries to make Colorado have a binding straw-poll where delegates must vote for the straw poll winner. Why? Because in 2012 Ron Paul pulled some shenanigans and picked up delegates. So in August 2015 Colorado says no and dumps the straw-poll part of the caucus. In August 2015. No other rule changed. Colorado still chose its delegates the same way as it always had. This whole, "it just happened now" is bullshit by Trump and his Super-Pac aka FoxNews. He knew back then what Colorado did. All SEVENTEEN candidates knew it as well. What did Trump do? He did nothing. No that's not right. He did worse then nothing, he was woefully incompetent..... #1 He had no ground game at all in Colorado. Even his supporters were dispirited. #2 He fired the Colorado organizer and installed someone a week ago. Too little too late. #3 He printed up leaflets of a list of 26 delegates who would support him but the numbers for the ballot were off so he was in essence telling people to vote for delegates who would themselves vote for other candidates. Including Cruz. #4 He didn't even bother to show up to campaign in the state. Cruz on the other hand did. Fact is that Trump is a very poor campaigner. He has very little in the way of organizations in each of the states. It's costing him big time. Ted Cruz said from the beginning of his campaign that he would work all the states to pick up delegates. That is what he did in Colorado. He worked the state and it paid off for him. So now we are heading into a contested convention where after the first ballot fails to elect a nominee the vast bulk of the delegates will be free to vote for whoever they want and Cruz and his team have been working very hard to make sure it's him they vote for on the second ballot. Trump doesn't mind rules when it favors him. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/11/desp...ystem-has-given-trump-a-22-percent-bonus.html He does mind it when it doesn't. Like Colorado. Well too bad. Cruz has been working on the delegates since the beginning of the campaign because unlike Trump he understood that it's the delegates that truly matter.
Oh and it's clear that the big so called Conservative media has thrown in for Trump. In particular FoxNews and even the DrudgeReport. Hence that picture in the first post.
From the comment threats about Colorado, some questions people are raising: Why would Trump campaign in Colorado when all the delegates were picked by the party elites who Tweeted #neverTrump? Regular voters in Colorado don't even get a say in the matter. Why were the numbers for Cruz delegates listed twice on the ballots and the numbers for Trump delegates omitted? How does one become one of these magical delegate selectors, and how come Trump supporters, who have been in the party for decades, were showing up to find their name wasn't on the list? It was always a paperwork error - on their part. Funny how that happens. It makes North Korean elections look honest, and if this is how Cruz treats Republican voters as a candidate, how would he treat them as a President? Would he laugh and blame them for being too stupid to understand his brilliant schemes, and tell them to study the political machinations so they quit getting shafted - by Cruz? Obviously he has complete disdain for Americans, which is typical of a natural born Canadian.
Fact is you cock-gurgling retard, Cruz knew the rules and worked them while Trump paid no attention to the rules and got burned. Just like Trump has paid no attention to any rules in any state and has been getting burned repeatedly in the delegate selection. If Trump doesn't get 1237 he will not be the nominee. And Trump had plenty of time to campaign in Colorado. That's a bullshit lie from idiots like you. Trump had supporters in the state and had he organized them better he would have done better. He would have gotten a cut of the delegates. And I know you can't face reality but here is a couple facts for you: Trump can not beat Hillary or Sanders in a general election. Trumps numbers continue to get worse as time goes on as well. The way Trump is not as popular as you think he is. The news media loves him and at this point is acting as his Super-Pac gives an impression that he was wide support among Republicans. He doesn't. Trump is not a Republican. Oh sure he calls himself one but his policies are all left leaning. He says what he thinks will get votes. But he's not against Obamacare, Bank Bailouts, abortion and other big government programs. He's also a fan of tariffs and starting trade wars. The only thing you could claim he wasn't "left" on is immigration but even that if you listen carefully to what he says is just him trolling idiots like you into supporting him.
And that's why a lot of Republicans will never vote for Cruz in the general. He works the rules like a scummy ambulance chasing lawyer who cons old folks out of their retirement savings. His supporters think this shows how good he is with the law, finding every angle and loophole and exploiting it to the fullest for his own advantage. That's not the kind of person we want as President because they'll spend most of their energy cleverly screwing us over and then gloating about it.
Smart people follow the election rules. There is no finding of loopholes or anything else. It's straight up knowing the rules going into the various states since all of them have different rules and then playing by the rules in those states. It's how you win elections. "If a candidate can't run a competent election organization, why should we think the candidate will be effective if elected?" - said someone else so I borrowed it from them. It's not Cruz's fault that Trump is not competent at running a campaign.
He won the election because nobody was allowed to vote, and the party apparently made sure no Trump supporter's paperwork was processed correctly to allow them any say. In Colorado, only the party apparatchiks voted, and of course they voted for their corrupt establishment master. Trump shouldn't be competent at running such a campaign because he's not a lying cheating politician. Cruz obviously is extremely skilled at that, in fact a master. He's better than Nixon, and possibly better at it than Clinton.
Idiot they did vote. Voted for the delegates. It's how Colorado has done it since 1912. And it's a lie that Trumps paperwork wasn't in order. There was no paperwork because Trump had no staff in the state doing a damn thing. Fuck you that you're too stupid to understand that.
So what were the vote totals? Cruz picked up 34 delegates, but how many people voted for him? Yeah, fuck the Republicans who are too dumb to understand why they weren't allowed to vote. The party apparatchiks decided the election results for them, because the party apparatchiks know best. And what was best was all the paid vacations they got out of the deal. Must be nice if you're a party official enjoying a margarita in Cancun. Maybe the US should switch to that system for the general election. It's what democracy looks like under Cruz. Instead of one man one vote, it's one delegate one all inclusive vacation package.
It is the purpose of @gturner bot to lie and pretend to be a victim. You could give him a dollar and he would say he got a disease from it. He just lies and lies and lies. When I take the time to tell you in particular that you are correct you know you have won the point. I might suggest to @gturner that if he wants to make nice with his god he should suggest he make a new party that combines the name of trump and party and you get the tardy party. It is a versatile name and it should get you a form letter reply.
But focus on party means highlighting the wrong thing. Parties are private entities, they don't have to be democratic. Elections, on the other hand, should. If both parties behaved according to Dinner's rules, we would still not have democratic elections. Focus on the real problem, not those who exploit it.
The only retards complaining are Trump people. And they are retards because you'd have to be one to support Trump. No one complained when Romney won the state in 2008. No one complained when Santorum won it in 2012. No one complained about Bush winning in 2000 and 2004. No one complained when in 2003 the state voted to get rid of the primary system (years 1992, 1996, 2000 but even then the delegates weren't bonded to the candidate) and go back to the caucus system. No the only ones complaining are the sore losers in the Trump campaign.
I would be all for getting all the trump supporters to go have a big old party in the desert like a big old hateful burning man and then ooooopsie we accidentally dropped a nuke. We could cll it the Toilet Bowl because we are flushing the turds from the gene pool. Trump supporters are precisely the reason I do not, and have never, believed in pure democracy.
It's funny but..... Trump loved the rules in all those caucus states he won. Trump loved the rule in states like Florida where Trump could get only 45.7% of the vote yet walk away with 100% of the delegates. The only time he doesn't like the rules? When he loses. Now Trump and his minions are comparing Cruz and his supporters to Nazi Gestapo? Probably not the brightest thing to do if you're expecting those very people to vote for you in a general election.
And Trump won the states he won by getting more votes than the other candidates. Last time Colorado was polled, Cruz was trailing Trump, and in head to head match ups against Hillary they far preferred Trump over Cruz, possibly because Cruz slammed Obama for not enforcing federal marijuana laws in Colorado, while Trump insists it should be left to the states and that everybody really supports medical marijuana. So of course Cruz gloats about cleverly rigging the system to thwart the will of Colorado Republicans, because the will of the people is for suckers. His supporters gloat about it too. So when so many Colorado Republicans feel they were robbed, Cruz people say "Ha! You should'a locked your shit up!"
Trump out polled Cruz in Colorado, so the party decided not to let anybody vote and just gave all the delegates to Cruz.
No, Cruz won, and the Donald yelled "foul!" when he found out. Rules that determined that Cruz won were same old rules, albeit obscure to all but party wonks. Donald doesn't have many party wonks on his payroll, so he lost. Now the Donald is in crybaby mode, resigned to his main role as spoiler (it plays well among his constituents for outsider Donald to pretend he's been injured by big ol mean party establishment).
Perhaps then the party should disallow Colorado's delegates at the convention, since they were selected by the party insiders, not elected by any expressed will of the voters.
Sure no problem. Just as soon as they disallow the delegates from Hawaii, Nevada, And Kentucky for Trump. All caucus states won by Trump. No problem with those states......
No, there's not, because we counted who showed up and counted their votes. Compare the data at Fox News election coverage. COLORADO Candidate, Votes, %, Delegates Cruz, -, -, 34 Kasich, -, -, 0 Trump, -, -, 0 KENTUCKY Trump, 82493, 35.9%, 17 Cruz, 72503, 31.6%, 15 Rubio, 37579, 16.4%, 7 Kasich, 33134, 14.4%, 7
Yes. There was voting. The people voted for the delegates and not the candidates. There were 600 delegates running in the race. The ones supporting Cruz won which is why he got the delegates. If Trump had come into the state earlier and got things into gear he could have gotten a lot of delegates too since Colorado is not a winner take all state. It wouldn't have been a rout by Cruz. But Trump didn't bother to campaign in Colorado, had no organization working, printed up leaflets of names of people who as delegates would support him but then screwed up and put the wrong numbers to the names causing people to accidentally vote for other candidates including Cruz. Trump shot himself in the foot. He has no right to complain. Colorado has done it this way since 1912. It shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. So no you're not going to see votes for candidates. And FoxNews is not going to post the results for 600 delegates. But there was voting.
That's not to say I support the way Colorado did things. Pretty damn stupid. But everyone, including Trump, knew this was the way things were going to be in Colorado. It wasn't a secret or a last minute surprise on part of the Colorado Republican Party. Trump fucked up but he's not man enough to take things in stride. Look at how he's behaving over this. I'm actually starting to fear what he would do as POTUS when dealing with someone like Putin.
Maybe Cruz will roll out that system for the whole country and we can all wonder who the people who are allowed to vote are actually voting for. I'm for candidate #153, whoever he is!
As per the Constitution not speaking on the subject each state gets to decide how it will handle choosing a candidate for president for a political party. Cruz has no legal say in any state on how they set-up their nomination systems. Some states set up primary systems. Some set up caucus systems. Some have straw polls. Some have a blend of different types. Feel free to keep crying over Colorado. I can't wait to see how you do when Trump loses the first ballot at the convention and then loses the 2nd ballot to Ted Cruz who will become the Republican nominee.
