Conservatives are Overjoyed

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...ics/bill-clinton-elections-democrats.amp.html

Pardon the Dayton moment with the formatting, it's bugged out somehow and I'll fix it once I'm off.

Anyway, I find it interesting that Dems are willing to distance themselves from one of the biggest names in politics because of the Lewinski thing, yet the GOP doubles down on it's predators while pointing out "But they do it too!"

Interesting

I find it interesting that you can be guilty before guilt is established.

Or wanting to "Lock Up" anybody who runs against a Republican.

If you think I'm going to defend Republican tactics, look elsewhere. Nothing the Republicans do takes away from the fact that the Democratic party in its current form supports principles antithetical to a free and just society.

In that case, would you agree that both the Republican and Democratic parties are in that same boat?

Two sides of the same coin.

I'm an independent voter. Enough said.

So you imply that you agree without coming right out and saying it. Why is that?

It also has to do with the fact that the Clintons are chief symbols of the party’s caving to the Right, at a time when the party is rediscovering true progressivism.

I’d be happy if the Clintons just left the public light.

Also true. Looking back on it, Clinton had some policies that left people scratching their heads today, such as the push for 3 Strikes laws and of course the halfway measures that was DADT (probably couldn't get anything better than that pushed in the 90s but still).

Time for them both to retire.

I'm often baffled as an outsider just what constitutes "left wing" in the US. It seems at times even your Democrats are somewhat right of centre by anyone else's measure and when people refer to the "extreme" left they are talking about what most of us would call the middle ground.

Clinton (of either ilk) could only have campaigned here as a conservative, the labour party wouldn't touch someone so opposed to improving labour relations whereas the lib dems would simply balk at the idea of them.

Dont you know? Anyone running against a Republican is the most dangerous ultra-leftist we've ever seen.

Not surprised at all. Years before Trump entered the race I predicted that Hillary would be a poor choice for a presidential candidate because she was so polarising. I have little doubt that had another, less polarising figure run against Trump he or she would've won in 2016.

It is time for the Democrats to move past the Clintons. They need someone who can appeal to swing voters.

Pretty much anything to the left of Nigel Farage.

I am a centre right Tory, but because I am a remainer and socially liberal (think Ken Clarke or Anna Soubry) the hard right yanks can't get it into their heads that I can also be conservative on other issues. All the see if "leftist!", "liberal!". They can't grasp just how much American politics has lurched away from rationality and towards the far right.

The Dems being anything left-of-center is one of the many myths that "real America" will never appreciate from their rural, untraveled retard bubble. That, and the glaringly obvious superiority of single-payer healthcare.

The Clintons were pretty decent for the 1990s, but in 2018, the coming generation will not be satisfied with half measures. People want shit to be sorted out, both on the left and the right. They're tired of politicking for the sake of politicking. Whether it will lead to anything fruitful, I don't know, but this generation of voters is sick and tired of it all.

Wait, you mean Nancy "don't mention single payer" Pelosi isn't a communist?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...communist-far-right-disrupts-political-event/

well one of the Clintons knows how to "swing" that's for sure.

Psh. She doesn't even know the secret handshake.

Because there isn't one.

There aren't many Republicans clamoring to work with the Bushes either

Both parties have changed to become more extreme and moderates are no longer desired in either. Florida's Governor race is a perfect example of this . Both candidates are playing to their base right now and not even trying to appeal to the middle.

Nope. More left-leaning Democrats are winning nominations, but they're fighting the Dem establishment to do it. Establishment Dems are still as centrist as ever.

True enough about Bush, but he was political poison well before leaving office. That one didn't surprise me at all.

It's taken Bill nearly 2 decades and a shift in thinking on what abuse of power means for the Dems before anyone pulled back from him.

I miss the Roosevelts

Yeah, and it took them nearly two decades of him being out of office before they were willing to relax and admit it was a bad thing. Interesting.

It's almost as if tribalism counts before relevant principles ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE these days.

Politicians are going do shitty politics things, but just lmao if you think the reaction from Democrats to Franken was the same as the Repubs reaction to similar allegations on their side.

What Bailey said.

It's also worth pointing out that social mores have shifted a lot in 20 years. People thought rapists were creeps that lived in their parents' basements like Ted Wolf and Flashlight and not charming ones like Billy Boy. So it's taken this long to even move from "it's just a BJ, who cares" to "Yeah, this was at best in poor judgement but a huge breach of power to fuck that intern at worst."

Plus, it would have been way too hypocritical to have spent the last year tearing into Trump then making excuses for our side. No one defended Al Franken, but you did see people go out their way to support Roy Moore on the basis of "this election can't be lost to Dems!"

So, your position now is that Bill Clinton is a rapist? Because poor Monica has spent the past 15 years portraying herself as a victim and refusing to take responsibility for her own choices?

Well, I guess that makes perfect sense, since that's the libtard ethos.