Could there be post-election violence in the United States?

There are legitimate reasons for not liking Hillary, just like there are for not liking Trump. You speak of biases but are apparently unable to see your own. This is what troubles me about American politics - about 80% of the electorate are pure Kool-Aid drinkers who vote D or R every time just because they always vote for the D or the R no matter which name comes after the letter. Most people do not examine the candidates or the issues, they just pull the same lever they always pull. That's what I object to, that's why I'm registered Independent, and that's why I look at all of it with a cynical eye.

Massive voter fraud is not an issue. Impersonation, and ineligible voters registering and voting happen at statistically insignificant rates along the lines of a small handful of votes per presidential election at most. People voting at the wrong address is a lot more common, but still not a major issue, especially in a Presidential election where the wrong address would have to be in the wrong state to matter.

The voter fraud that exists is individual, not organized, and basically has essentially no chance of changing any results other than in the most local of elections, and even there the chance is minimal.

Voter intimidation, on the other hand, is real.

True.

False. I am aware of my biases, and I work to account for them. That being said, we weren't talking about my biases, we were talking about yours.

Your biases work against you here, for example. You don't know the content of my ballots, and you don't know my voting record. I have voted Republican, Green, Democrat, Independent, and Libertarian in my lifetime. So here you've closed yourself off from new information because your assumptions have painted for you the wrong image. That's not a good thing, and it's a contributing factor to exactly how we get in situations like this particular election.

On a side note, being cynical isn't always a good thing, and it doesn't always impart intelligence and critical thinking skills when you use it. I know plenty of cynics who think vaccines are the government's way of controlling the populace, or insist that crime is going up around the country (things are getting so much worse!) but refuse to accept that the statistics show otherwise.

It's why "Make America Great Again" rings with so many people. They think they're reaching the end of the world as they know it, and their cynicism blinds them to the possibility that they may be caterpillars turning into butterflies rather than bones turning to ash.

Given that Trump is likely to lose, and given the demographic that supports him, I imagine it will look something like this:



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Cynicism keeps you alive in a hostile universe. And that's my last on this.

healthy skepticism and cynicism are not the same thing.

This is a good thing to understand, yes.

It appears that the fraud IS organized. This video has a good breakdown of what's going on.

You don't fool me, you've got a very kind, and warm heart. I admit sometimes I feel that strong wave of cynicism, but I just haven't lost faith in humanity up to that point yet. Hopefully, I won't.

We detect it in every election and in almost every state, but it gets all the press coverage of Hillary's leaks.

The idea that there's organized vote fraud going on has been repeatedly debunked. No one has ever actually found the supposed fraudulent votes. There's no need to watch yet another shit video that either lies or fails to understand basic statistics and data science.

In the past billion votes cast in U.S. elections there aren't even three dozen credible allegations of vote fraud of the kind that right-wing nutjobs routinely pee their pants over. Whenever anyone finds vote fraud it turns out to be bad registrations, or legitimate voters with the same name as a felon or a non-citizen, or fraud totals within the margin of error of zero once the odds of bad data are accounted for, or some such similar easily debunked bit of nonsense. To the extent that there's organized fraud, the fraud is fraudulent purging of voter rolls, fraudulent poll-watching challenges to voter eligibility, and fraudulent claims of fraud designed to instigate measures to make voting more difficult.

Must be nice to live on your world. What color is the sky there?

Another thing about these "claims" of widespread vote fraud: no one ever describes any sort of mechanism, much less a credible mechanism, by which it might be happening. Hundreds of thousands of individuals independently deciding to risk felony charges for no tangible benefit? Vast conspiracies to bypass checks by thousands of election officials in thousands of jurisdictions, to recruit many thousands of people to risk felony charges for no tangible benefit, all without any kind of paper trail or infiltration? Seriously: how exactly is it supposed to work, other than wishful thinking? The vote fraud claims are like claims that vaccines are being used to force secret mind control drugs on the broad population: they're ridiculous on their face to anyone who takes a moment to stop and think about how it might actually happen.

Yes, some very local races see ballot box stuffing organized by candidates or local power brokers, but that's not actually voter fraud. Claims of widespread voter fraud are tin-foil crackpot nonsense.

You live in a strange strange world. On this planet they bust people for massive voter fraud all the time. My favorite was last election when the guy was registering cartoon characters.

And where not turning in those applications would have been a breach of electoral rules:

And the fake applications were caught, ergo no fraudulent votes were actually cast.

Equating bad voter registrations with vote fraud is a favorite tactic of people who have absolutely no evidence that vote fraud happens. The evidence that invalid registrations lead to any significant number of invalid votes is non-existent.

And fake worrying about bad registrations is really just an effort to undermine the legitimacy of voting registration drives, to make sure that eligible voters are kept off the rolls. Of course any organized effort to register voters is going to result in a fair chunk of bad registrations, between people filling out fake info as a joke, people filling out forms just because they feel that's the easiest way to quickly end an interaction with registration drive personnel, and people filling out forms without really understanding what they're filling out. What all these bad registrations have in common is that they essentially never lead to bad votes. Most are caught, and the people with an actual intention to vote file valid registrations.

You could easily solve the "problem" of bad registrations by automatically registering all citizens of age, but of course that would lead to more valid voting, which is why the people falsely claiming to worry about bad registrations don't do anything about them: their real goal is to prevent eligible voters from voting to the extent that that improves their side's chance of winning elections.

Of course there are. That doesn't mean it isn't possible to be informed and support her for positive reasons. You seem really blinded by the idea that people can legitimately see value in supporting her.

Congratulations, you found a perfect example of my point. There were questions worth asking, ultimately the court ruled that finding an answer was itself too great a burden on the system, and Gore (and his supporters) accepted the final result.

Daffy Duck and Mickey Mouse didn't cast votes, but you can bet Jim Smithers and Wanda McCormick did.

You got that right! If Trump wins the left will shit themselves. They will feel like the rug was pulled out from under them. Everything was in their favor - the media, social justice, minorities, the "right side of history" etc.etc. Voter fraud claims will explode - "he was selected not elected!" I can hear Reverend Al's bullhorn already.

OOPS! I just thought about this though - they won't have the DOJ in their pocket if Hillary loses - they must just keep it low key.

Hillary's leaks? Come on now, the quality of her adult diapers is a personal matter. She probably gets the Costco diapers in bulk, by necessity of course what with going broke sending Chelsea to college. Hey since she's a Democrat, maybe she experiences "blue diaper syndrome!"

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/blue-diaper-syndrome/

I forget which late night comedian said it, but at some point after talking about Bush's critical decisions in the aftermath of 9/11, he added, "Meanwhile Al Gore is in the teachers lounge futilely banging on a vending machine to free a stuck back of M&M's"

That's Podesta saying that illegal aliens should be able to vote if they have a driver's license and answer "Si senor" when asked if they're a citizen.

Hillary has some positives, yes. But her negatives hugely overshadow them and make her unsupportable.

Donald is keeping it together pretty well, and getting under Hillary's skin. The moderator is being fair and neutral and the questions are pretty good, but of course both cantidates go off on tangets a little bit.

IYO. John and I disagree.

"massive voter fraud"

I was just old enough to follow that election and just young enough to root for Gore cuz my whole family was Democrat.

The more I looked into it, the more I realized the guy didn't have a chance in hell. He lost every other key battleground state. If he'd have won one or two of those, Florida wouldn't have mattered.

People blame Nader for ruining that election, but he was honestly the warm up act for the three ring circus of this election where most Americans can name more than two third party candidates not named after Disney characters

This guy

I remember that fiasco well. Gore tried to change Florida election law by demanding recounts based on his "new" standards. It didn't work and he looked foolish for trying.