Democrats and Anti-Semitism

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  1. T.R

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    Evan Ross: My fellow Democrats, it’s time to talk about anti-Semitism
    I’ve got news for you — there is nothing progressive about anti-Semitism.
    Makes sense to me. If you are going to talk the talk, then walk the walk.
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  2. Tuttle

    Tuttle Listen kid, we're all in it together.

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    You can take the Dems out of their Klan outfits but you can't take the Klan out of the Dems.

    Though I still suspect that "hate is on the rise" trope is simply a matter of math, even ignoring the huge spike in hate hoaxes (more agencies reporting, more political bias intruding into previous stable psyches, means more incidents reported). E.g. 50% more agencies and regions reporting = 50% more incidents reported.

    To the extent the "increase" is legit, it's perfectly predictable given that humans are largely tribal and group together - look at the "blacks only" segregationist clubs so popular among our 'best and brightest' in universityland, and the same is true about people throughout the world and across all races and creeds. Kashmir? Uighurs? Shiites/Sunnis?

    Probably why a moratorium on new immigration in the US is advisable to assimilate the massive influx experienced by the US over recent decades.
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  3. Minsc&Boo

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    Trump is a antidentite tuttle!
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    While there is a disturbing anti-Semitic current in elements of the far left, when I see any member of the American right try to score points using it ... well, let's just say that Matthew 7:1-5 comes to mind.
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    If any of you fuckers who enabled the Kikey Mikey shit towards Actormike start flailing over this, I will kick you in the nuts. :brood:
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    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    No kidding. It wasn't the far left marching with tiki torches and chanting"Jews will not replace us" and it's not the far leftists who have taken to terrorizing synagogues.

    That said, despite TR's suspect motives for posting this, we do gotta clean up our side of the aisle on this issue.
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    It’s for sure a problem, and it seems to be the further left you get, the more of a problem it is. (Ditto the further right on the Republican side.) The Green Party has a huge problem here as well.
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    Can someone give me examples of anti-semetism that aren't the same thing as opposing Israeli policy?
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    Being critical of Israel's government and politics =/= antisemitism
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    Which of those people is even left here? Seems to me all of the responsible parties have left or died.
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    Aren't you one of the people that's furiously opposed to punching Nazis? "Freedom of speech" and all that? :chris:
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    I give Bill Maher a lot of credit on this issue. The only reason conservatives pander to the Jewish vote is so their end times prophecy comes true.
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  15. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    It does on WF. Always has.
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    Let me just remind everyone that this means that the policies of more than half of Israel's voting population are antisemitic.
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    Genuinely curious what the problem is in the Green Party. Do you happen to have a summary or a link? I don't follow them, but I'm surprised they have issues with anti-semitism, since their politics seems more focused on the environment than on social issues.
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    Really now? How many conservatives right here on wordforge give a fuck about the "end times prophecy?" :lol:
    A lot of conservatives I know in real life believe in the "High Times prophecy"! :yes:

    Maybe conservative politicians pander to the Jewish vote because it's to their advantage to have support (thus votes) from a demographic that is for the most part educated, informed, hard working & successful? Did that ever cross your mind?
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    You STILL need me to explain the difference between verbal opposition and physical violence? What are you 12?
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    Ah, so you oppose anti-Semitism, but you prefer that opposition to take the form of all talk and no action. You're a real hero, guy. :dayton:
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    Ah, it's kinda like being critical of Islam =/= racism.








    Right?
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  22. Diacanu

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    Right.
    Except the way Dinner does it.
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  23. Tuttle

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    I noticed the same thing about Obama golfs critics when I searched - I think it was Ten L. who recently observed in a "Trump golfs too often" thread that the Right complained about the same thing re Obama, and that it was just partisan sniping (with which I agree).

    They're practically all gone (although Zombie mentioned it a couple of times, the other twenty mentions I found were all from members who were no longer active).
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    I don't think anyone has ever claimed that being critical of Islam is racist. I, for instance, firmly believe that there is no God, yet Islam says there is. I criticize this. If you watched me carefully while I delivered the last two sentences, you'll find that I was able to criticize Islam without once banning Muslims from entering my country, blowing up a mosque or country, or suspecting Muslims of terrorism.
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    "Opposing Israeli policy" is a very broad term, and it's frankly a pretty disingenuous way of describing things like the BDS movement.

    When people demand sanctions against Israel yet do not devote the same energy to demanding sanctions against human rights abuses by other U.S.-allied Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the UAE ...

    When people boycott companies that do business with Israel but don't care about their ties to Riyadh or Dubai ...

    When people object to Israeli control of Palestinian areas but are silent when people in Palestinian-controlled areas lob rockets at Tel Aviv ...

    When people insist on holding Israel to one standard, but show no interest in applying that same standard to any other country in the Middle East ...

    ... then there are probably some explanations other than anti-Semitism, but it's highly unlikely that anti-Semitism plays no role in the movement whatsoever.
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    Well, I would agree with that statement too.

    But there is a difference between being critical of a singular organization that stands for specifically defined policies (the Israeli government) and being critical of / generalizing about a billion-strong, decentralized population of Muslims. Governments have power and individuals generally don't.
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  27. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Because you can't count after you run out of fingers and toes? :garamet:
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    Both the Right, and Left, have an anti semitism problem in the US. It’s repulsive.
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    I miss that guy.
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    Their VP candidate in 2016 contributed to a Holocaust denial article (before walking it back), denies that antisemitism in Europe is a thing, and lays the blame for all conflict in the Middle East on Israel.
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