Embracing the Winds (Star Trek Continues E07)

I just happened to see this, just after release on YouTube. Wow.

I won't spoil it right away, but I don't think I've ever seen Trek tackle this kind of plot on any screen. Even in the novels, only some parts of David R. George III's books have. And I am sure they are going to get flak for this from every direction -- from people thinking it isn't Trek, others saying they handled it badly, others saying they are betraying Roddenberry's vision. But I'm just impressed by the courage.

It was the first Continues episode that caught and held my attention all the way through, no moment of boredom and very little embarrassment ober bad or overacting. Kudos.

Got it cued up for watching during lunch today. I love these guys.

That was a good one.

How did they make this with Paramount clamping down on fanfilm?

Did they find a loophole, or are they just going "fuck it, this one's too important, we're doing this, let 'em sue"?

Grandfathered, maybe? Or wasn't there something in Paramount's wording that excepted those already in production?

The website says they're the only fully non-profit fanproduction, with a specific legal structure, and they HOPE that will protect them. IMO, the only thing that quite likely will protect them is people at Paramount getting wise to not rocking the boat too much, as far as beloved fan productions are concerned.

Vic Mignogna has said in interviews that he is firmly against making any money off of somebody else's product and someone else's license.

That distinction seems very wobbly to me. People are still funding this project, i.e. essentially paying for them to make it. Even if the principal participants all don't take a dime for themselves -- does that mean they have jobs with incredible amounts of free time or are all independently wealthy? --, the people they have to pay in turn to provide spaces, technology, materials, fabrics etc. still get paid.

They'd already shot it and CBS/Paramount said they won't go after stuff already made. That said, Continues want to complete a run of 11-13 episode, so whether or not the studio will sit by and allow that remains to be seen.

I think the difference is between this and Axanar is that the latter was an obvious commercial enterprise (no pun intended). It was using it's crowd funding, among other things, as a back door to build a for profit studio, to sell branded merchandise and to pay the producers salaries directly out of the funds received. Plus they amount raised was way about that of any other fan film. So I think it was the point where they said "things are going too far" and Axanar was far easier to go after because of the blatant nature of the IP infringement. Apparently though CBS/Paramount had been looking to issue guidelines prior to Axanar so the ever expanding nature of fan films into psuedo professional productions clearly has been on their minds for a few years now.

I just watched this on the OP's recommendation and I was disappointed.

Just have to ask ?

Did it have any kind of starship battle?

Except:

Vic Mignogna might actually be fairly independently wealthy. He's pretty big in the voice acting industry. Actually from what I hear about him behind the scenes, he's a perfect fir for Kirk in any case.

Just watched it and I agree, no pay off about what Garret was trying to hide. Anyway, it seemed like a bit of a dig a Hillary. I am going to miss this show though.

I thought the story actually did a fair job of reconciling the seeming anachronism that Sean points out IS in fact canon with an explanation that makes some in-world sense, in order to lay the foundation to tell this particular story. I'm only just beginning the episode though

I'm not sure whether the reveal concerning Garret's mission to Nimbus III might still be forthcoming; I think we are at least supposed to believe that the destruction of the Hood will be explained later. But I also think that being left with real questions about a candidate puts us in Kirk's shoes perfectly. For this and a number of other reasons, he and we can never be sure what the right choice would have been.

For those two reasons you have no choice but to pick Spock.

Why?

Because we have no idea what happened on her mission. Kirk maybe saw her record, but she's clearly hiding something. Spock even said that her record may be tarnished. If it were an actual episode of Star Trek, then that most likely would be the focus. This episode kind of reminded me of "Measure of a Man" , but it's as if every conversation Picard had with Wesley happened off screen. They had two plots going on and neither one was resolved. Who knows what Kirk knows?

This didn't seem as clear cut to me; I thought it was left deliberately ambiguous. There clearly had been an investigation into the incident, and that investigation was over. Her testimony had been considered satisfactory at that point. Even Kirk is unsure, and therefore we too must be unsure, of his own reasons for wanting to reopen the issue. Her unwillingness to discuss it again, while in itself unprofessional, might as well stem from an accurate perception of his, and indeed possibly Spock's, bias. Yes -- Spock seems potentially biased here. I like that.

"embracing the winds" sure sounds like a comedy that would be filled with fart jokes.

I guess I would have liked it better if the episode focused on the mission and whether or not she made the right call or not. They could have even questioned Spock's record as well. Like I said before, it seemed like a dig at Hillary. The question isn't whether or not Starfleet is ready for a female Captain, Kirk said as much, but rather is this the right female fore the job.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a dig at Hillary considering that Vic Mignogna is like Kirk Cameron levels of religious.

Good for him

It's good when political messages are injected into Star Trek?

People beating the drum of diversity are injecting politics into Star Trek

Ahhhhh, it's now "political" to believe humans are equal....

Did you guys ever WATCH the show?! /Fleegman

When has Trek NOT been political?