Your comment suggests that smokers, alcoholics, and Big Mac addicts are somehow "guests" in someone else's health care system. Negative. They have as much right to participate in the system as anyone else; I only maintain they should pay for their relative risk. A 250 lb. man who drives railroad ties for a living is going to consume more food than a 90 lb. elderly woman; nonetheless, the man is entitled to the food he pays for. It would be ridiculous to insist that (1) they both consume equal amounts or (2) that the 90 lb. woman is any more "proper" than the 250 lb. man simply because her demands are lesser. Neither one of them owns the food production system; they are each entitled to take from it in accordance with what they pay.
First off, state where anyone is obligated to make a moral judgment about anyone. This should be a good way to derail this thread. Secondly, yeah quality of life damn well matters to anyone who appreciates not having to pay for anyone's life choices, as you and Paladin and the rest of you claim to hate. The majority of folks on welfare grew up with some kind of government financial assistance. You think a kid might have a better chance of breaking the cycle if he is well fed and his parent (s) is able to better access school or some other type of trade program? You know, the ones that are first to go in a budget crisis? And don't get me started about the planned parenthood programs (of which abortion is but three percent of the services they provide) and how mongoloids like yourself would have shut down.
Abortion is a self-correcting problem, and therefore both social conservatives and Libertarians should support it as a practice 100%. /thread
Context is important. If you still don't get it, you've never heard Bryan Fisher talk about anything.
Wasn't there some dude on trial recently for running an abortion mill? What's up with that story lately?
Then someone didn't get the memo, because I'm still taxed to support unwanted babies. Until that changes, abortion is a necessity.
Abortion is legal and yet you are still taxed for "unwanted babies," so it doesn't appear to solve your problem.
Completely solving the problem is not a prerequisite. Even mitigating it slightly is better than nothing. I could be more easily persuaded to pay for birth control and sterilizations than the product of irresponsible procreation.
How do you know the babies you have to pay for are the results of "unplanned" or "unwanted" pregnancies? Sure, no doubt lots are but I would wager that a substantial number of fully intended.
I have no idea who Bryan Fisher is therefore I couldn't possibly care less what he says. Second, I have never heard that 3 children is a biblical standard - from anyone, Christian or otherwise. If anything, the more prevalent belief is that birth control is wrong and that your brood mare wife should just keep popping out babies as long as she's physically capable, cause that's God's will.
You're a moron and it doesn't surprise me you'd agree with that bit of wackery. No, they're trying to save the lives of the unborn babies. Saving their souls comes later. This old canard? Abortion on demand opponents don't care about children after they're born? You're more full of shit that I could have possibly imagined. When in your sad, pathetic life did you latch onto the twisted, perverted idea that it's o.k. to kill unborn babies? Stupid canard #2 - abortion opponents (i.e. Christians) are anti-sex prudes. Do you actually believe this horseshit, or are you paid by N.O.W. to read their talking points? Abortion on demand as a means of birth control for people whose "fun" sex led to an "oops!" baby is morally repugnant and frankly an idea that comes straight from the depths of hell. So why am I not surprised you're in favor of it? You know, my views on abortion have undergone a radical change. I used to spout the kind of lame liberal talking point bullshit that garamet did here, but then I started paying attention to the reality of the abortion industry, the stuff that never gets talked about in the popular media, the stuff that nobody wants to acknowledge actually goes on behind the closed doors of your local abortion clinic. Abortion is the murder of a human life. Period. End of discussion. I don't care what the Supreme Court has said. It's a heinous act that will be judged and punished accordingly.
It's nowhere in the New Testament, but there are plenty of Christians who are taught this view. The Duggars are the most high-profile example of the Protestant version. But the Catholic Church still clings to it's anti-birth control teachings.
That is correct. Though IIRC, the Duggars were heavily influenced by an unplanned pregnancy while the wife was on birth control that resulted in a miscarriage. Reportedly both the husband and wife found the miscarriage (even of an unplanned pregnancy) traumatizing and believed rightly or wrongly that it was the birth control method (the pill) that they had been using that led to the miscarriage.
The current strategy of trying to make abortions as difficult to obtain as possible would probably reduce the number of abortions performed on black women a lot more than it would reduce the number performed on white women. When regulations are piled so high that there ends up being one clinic every 500 miles, the people who are most likely to end up not being able to get an abortion as a result are low-income women without good access to transportation or means of taking multiple days off of work. Upper-class women will always be able to get an abortion. It's low-income women, who are statistically more likely to be non-white, who are most affected by the "bans in all but name" that are currently being pursued.
The Boston School Committee voted tonight to distribute condoms in all high schools. http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/201...-screenings/XnY44EFO6j7SHnMBWwlcpJ/story.html No doubt the number of abortions in Boston will drop over the next few years.
You know, all of the people who ever made me miserable were white.... The only black kids I knew stole my fucking Garbage Pail Kids, sure....but that didn't make me miserable, it just regular pissed me off. I didn't stew over it, or nothin. I solved the crime, and got my stuff back within a week. But the WHITE people...holy shit...they were bastards. So..yeah, good riddance, whitey. Goooood riddance.
I assume that unlike in Bumfuck, Arkansas where Dayton teaches, the kids are getting a whole overview of all the possible outcomes of sex, and not just the extreme of "Go nuts as long as you use birth control" or using scare tactics ("condoms only work 80 percent of the time") over education--that way kids can make a well-informed decision to wait or not wait, and have all options on the table if a pregnancy does occur.
There is a comprehensive program. To be honest, I hadn't realized condom distribution wasn't already in place as a district wide policy. Many schools were already doing it.
Because it's true? It's the same reason so many of them oppose birth control, or marrying non-christians unless they convert, or any number of things that reduce women to baby factories.
So glad nobody here defended this insanity. I started this thread for two reasons, to see if anybody really thought pro-life white folks were Nazis. And second to illuminate the ridiculous lengths people will go to frame their opposition in the most hateful light possible. We've many members right here who spend discussions framing their opposition's opinion instead of expressing their own. And much like Salamishah Tillet, it ends up revealing their character more than anything else. Guess my last question is - What sequence of events led Salamishah Tillet to sincerely believe white supremacy is the driving factor behind the pro-life movement?
Christians oppose birth control to further spread Christianity? Given celibacy is a requirement for priests, nuns, etc. . . That is a rather silly notion. And as has been mentioned up-thread, parents of faith have no guarantee their children will share their faith.
Old-school Catholics? Yes. Not in the Catholic mindset. In large families, the hope is that while the rest of the adult children are pumping out grandkids, at least one other child will become a priest/nun/brother for (A) bragging rights (akin to "My Son the Doctor") and (B) a guaranteed ticket to Heaven because said child is praying for your soul. True, to the thinking person. But the same level of stupid that believes political stance is inherited also believes people will remain in the faith in which they were raised. If they don't, you can always exclude them from family gatherings or make lofty statements about how you're "praying for them to come to their senses before they burn in Hell."
Despite 16 years of Catholic education, no. But feel free to refute anything I've posted. Or is name-calling really all you have?
