Holy shit. Tell me you're entitled little sissies without saying you're entitled little sissies. What a shock that those same people who've spent months disrupting and vandalizing the campus now just want to be handed passing grades.
Did they also attend classes? Turn in homework? And pass tests? Then yes, they fucking do deserve to be handed a deserved grade - based on homework and tests, not extra-curricular activiities.
Um...agreed? I think? If they did the work, they absolutely deserve the grade. Making it pass/fail is an insult to those kids.
I think pass fail might be problematic for some kids on scholarship or who might have employers paying for their education. Also for a prestigious school a GPA would be something that might be valuable and pass fail would not contribute to that. If the kids are maintaining their studies and grades through adversity they sghould not be set equal to those who are not. The protesters also should be making the sacrifice for their cause. And the school should never just pass kids without the required education. They have to do things based on that educational foundation, and if you can just pass people and not give a fuck that undermines the whole system of education. Not that a college wouldn't do such a thing because a college does not give a fuck about whether or not their students are valuable or not.
Anyone else thinking that as this is a class of future lawyers they should be allowed to argue the case and be graded on that? I mean, this is some Alan Shore level silliness, sure. But in some ways it'd be a better measure of how much they've learned.
Entitled people make demands. This was phrased more as a request. Know what else entitled people do? Get all butthurt when people make requests they don't like, or when their "lessers" don't "know their place." If administration feels it's reasonable, give them what they want. If not, then make them a more reasonable counter-offer or tell them no. Being a dick about it is unnecessary.
Allowing this sort of silliness is how you get MTG and Beetlejuice handjob queen in congress. If this was a creative joke for class I would be all with you. Maybe that is what this is as I really do not know if this is legit, but if they are serious then this is where their teacher tosses a ton of extra work on them.
Well, you clearly have more experience in being entitled than I do, so I shall defer to your expertise in the matter.
Don't strain yourself reaching that hard, pal. I don't really know who you are, but I can already tell you're neither as entertaining as Uncle Albert or as smart as RickDeckard. No wonder you are in favor of pass/fail law degrees.
I'm an unfunny Faceman ripoff, ask anyone. Clearly I am dealing with someone above my paygrade and I should back off before I make even more of an ass of myself. I apologize for wasting you time, my lord.
I'm supposed to be getting paid? Who do I talk to about getting my check? Oh, no, wait. Asking for things would make me entitled. Can't have that.
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I guess I was, in my second point. Believing lessers should know their place comes from a place of arrogance, not necessarily entitlement. The two often go hand-in-hand, but are not the same thing. The generally accepted definition of "entitlement" is something along the lines of "one who thinks they deserve something." Often, there's an implied "... that they don't reasonably deserve" as well. Other definitions probably exist, but they aren't the generally accepted one. If one is making demands, that's usually enough to determine that someone feels entitled. Demands are usually a sign that one feels they deserve something. If one is asking for things or otherwise making requests, they could feel entitled to what they're requesting, or they could simply want what they're requesting. Asking for something usually indicates the asker wants something, but not necessarily that they feel they deserve something. The only way I could see making a request as a clear sign of entitlement is if a request could generally be considered unreasonable. Like, walking into a bank and asking for all their money, for free. Or men with poor social skills asking for government-appointed teenage virgin brides. Sometimes it's reasonable to expect people to understand things just don't work that way. Asking for leniency in grading is an extremely common, and often granted, request at college campuses, and probably doesn't fall into this category. So, for the claim "these students are entitled brats," the burden of proof has not been met. Anyway, as a student, I'd probably be asking for some sort of leniency if a campus-wide disruption took place. As a professor/admin, I'd probably deny the request and make a counter-offer. Something along the lines of postponing finals instead of outright canceling them, incompletes instead of pass/fail. Reasonable people are willing to work with others.
Yes, but the people asking aren't reasonable. The ones asking are the ones causing the disruption. That's what makes them entitled brats.
Unreasonable people are capable of asking for things that are reasonable. Are they? In the sense that students started the protests and students are asking for leniency? Or the people who run the organization that published the essay are the ones who started the protests? For the sake of my argument, I'll go with "the person who wrote that is directly responsible for causing and/or intensifying the protests," because it's the strongest possibility. What is their motivation for making the request? It could be because protesting distracted from study time and they don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions, it could also be because they realized their actions have negatively affected others, and they don't want all students to suffer for the actions of a few. If it's the latter, it's not only not entitlement, it's the responsible thing to do. It's possible, but not certain.
Nah, it's pretty certain. If they cared about their fellow students quality of education, they wouldn't have taken things this far. They're only in it for themselves.
It seems important to you that I change my mind. Simply telling me I'm wrong and making assertions is unlikely to be successful in achieving that goal.
I see it as people not only believing they are inherently owed something, but that someone else is obligated to provide it. Could be material support, or identity validation.
Why would I be trying to change your mind? Does that ever happen on this board. Ever? For all I know, you could be Lauren Boebert's reelection campaign manager.
I agree that this is a valid description of entitlement, and it's kind of paraphrasing the generally accepted definition. If someone feels they deserve something, or are owed something, it implies they think someone else should provide the thing. It also allows for entitlement to be reasonable or unreasonable. Like, if my neighbor asks me to patch a hole in some drywall, and I agree to do so if he pays me $26, once I repair the hole in his wall, he owes me $26 and is obligated to give me $26, this is most likely reasonable because that is what was agreed to. Whereas, if he says something like "I need my drywall patched, I don't know how but you do, so you should do it just because and I shouldn't have to pay you," that could be viewed as unreasonable entitlement. Given other discussions I'm having in this thread: I have previously stated that I don't think you're worth engaging with beyond saying "you're wrong, and a poopie-head." I have changed my mind. Occasionally, you do say things that are worth discussing, and, at least occasionally, are worth engaging with. People occasionally change their minds here. I just changed my mind about Uncle Albert. Although, it wasn't because someone simply told me I was wrong. Uncle Albert acted in a way that was inconsistent with my opinion of him, so I adjusted my opinion. Some people here aren't open to new information, and trying to change their minds is probably pointless. I try to be as open to new information as possible, so my mind can be changed. I also don't really give much of a shit if some college students are entitled brats or not, I'm mostly just practicing examining a situation and forming a position, so I don't really stand to lose much if my mind does change. Actually, being prompted to change my mind would be helpful here. It was just speculation anyway. It seems like you don't like what I'm saying, and have responded by making assertions and comparing me to people you don't like. Wanting me to change my mind seemed like a possible motivation. It would probably be best if I just ask: what is it you're hoping to accomplish by engaging with me in this thread?
The word “entitlement” is a political football the right likes to use to tear down New Deal legislation and they’ve been doing so since The Depression. Politically, the US budget has certain “buckets” for accounting. One is the military, one is payroll, one is “entitlements”. This last includes SS and welfare. The REASON they are called “entitlements” is because that money belongs to US citizens. It is a fund the government collects (through taxes) and hands out when a citizen is in need. They are “entitled” to the money because it belongs to them. But, far be it from me to challenge the idiocy of those who can’t be bothered to understand what politicians are saying and why they are saying it.
