Fight Fattism! Fat Rights NOW!

We should just abort all the obese people.


And the elderly.

I think most of the points here either way are valid, I'd just like to add that people who never had a predisposition to gain weight are very cavalier about the whole "fat people should just lose weight" canard.

90% of those who never had a weight problem would never want to subsist on the sort of diet (not "diet to lose weight" but "diet to maintain a healthy weight - forever") that they take for granted the potentially fat person should assume

ARe there obese people who have a pound of bacon for breakfast and go through a case of twinkies a week? YES!

Do ALL overweight people eat disproportionately too much? Not even close.

The simple fact is that for some people, that nice steak dinner you thin people enjoy a couple of times a month is off limits unless they want to spend a week dieting it back off...that occasional indulgence at Backyard Burger or whatever? none for them. The ones with the wrong metabolism can have a salad with a nice low cal oil dressing thank you.

Now I'm not talking about people with actual medical conditions which MAKE them fat here - I'm just talking about that - whatever you want to call it - slow metabolism or whatever which makes the difference between those who never have to get on a scale and those for whom every stray biscut is a curse.

Again, most of those in the former group wouldn't consider the sort of diet the latter has no choice about if they want to maintain a reasonable weight.

Plus, there's a better argument for "you should GET fat" than "you should lose it"

I freely admit I didn't have the healthiest choices in food most of my life - I didn't eat too much i just happened to prefer the more fattening choices.

BUT

From July 2008 to April 2009, I lost 50 pounds. Since April, doing pretty much exactly the same diet and exercise routine i did during that nine months, I haven't lost anything at all.

Short of extreme, and usually expensive or highly impractical methods, losing a lot of weight when you are VERY fat is a massive undertaking (no pun intended).

those of you who pat yourself on the back when you knock off that 10 or 15 pounds that bother you really have nothing in common with the person who needs to lose 100 or more.


and if all this sounds like excuse making, know that I'm pretty much obsessed with losing about 100 more pounds - I DESPISE being this heavy. if all it took was motivation and desire, it would have already been done.

Yes there are fat people who just don't care, but one cannot assume that the 300 pounder next to you is perfectly content to be that way and could you please pass one of those donuts.

If that was in response to Camren, people in the UK do have the option to have private healthcare.

No, you did eat too much. Unless your body is able to violate the laws of thermodynamics you cannot gain weight if you are expending more energy than you are taking in from food.

The protein/fat/carb balance of the calories you eat along with your exercises will influence what happens to that excess energy, whether it turns into fat or muscle, but just by and of itself eating fat will not make you fat unless you are eating too much of it.

That is to be expected. From July 2008 to April 2009 you were at a calorie intake level for a guy 50 pounds lighter than your weight. Once you reached that weight your calorie intake was equal to your energy burnt and so you stopped losing weight. At this point you either need to cut more calories, or do more exercise.

This contradicts your previous anecdote. Unless someone has a serious medical cause for their obesity such as their body being unable to burn body fat effectively (which happens but is quite rare) it is actually easier for a very fat person to lose weight. You are seeing that now where it is harder to lose weight than when you were 50 pounds heavier.

We have everything in common, our bodies work exactly the same way. I am working to lose a bit of weight at the moment before it gets out of control. To do that sustainably I am trying to eat around 1850 calories a day, with a 30/30/40 fat/protein/carbs ratio. If it isn't too personal a question what is your current calorie intake target? Don't feel bad if it is more than mine, because it should be. In the same way your current diet needs to be lower than it was when you were 50 pounds heavier.

I'm not attacking you by the way, I do think you honestly want to lose weight and are trying to, but you are working with some serious misinformation and some simple changes could get you back on track.

Motivation and desire are not all it takes, you also need the correct information. I could be motivated to create a marble sculpture, but if I believe that a paintbrush is the tool to use I will never get results.

The inverse for you, don't assume that because someone weighs less they can eat whatever they want. As you are finding out it can actually become harder to lose weight the lighter you are.

No, I eat too much of the wrong things.

Objectively speaking, if you eat 10 ounces of lettice or 1o ounches of donuts, it matters.

Beyond that, it's also possible to eat too much FOR ME and it not be too much FOR YOU but that's a different point.

That's about calories. i didn't say or imply I wasn't eating too many calories - clearly I am. i'm speaking of volume.

Obviously if I prefer a loaded baked potato to a green salad I'm eating more calories even if I'm not eating significantly more food.

Let's start with these fatties!

Michael Moore
Rosie O'Donell
Barny Frank

your logic does have a certain appeal...

Nova, you really need to start tracking your calories. Without knowing your actual weight, I am going to go out on a limb and say that if you have not lost a pound for months and are as overweight as you say then you are eating substantially more than 2000 calories a day.

You should get yourself an account at somewhere like FitDay or Calorie King Australia.

I have an account on Calorie King and it is great, has a massive food database so you can keep track of exactly what you are eating. Haven't used FitDay but have heard good things about it.

One good thing it does is break down what can seem like overwhelming goals.

You seem to be drawing a line saying that people can lose a bit of weight, but it is harder to lose a lot. All losing a lot of weight is though is losing a bit of weight a few times.

You put in your current weight, and your ultimate goal weight, and the site assigns you short term targets. So you aren't trying to lose 100 pounds over a year for example, you are instead say just trying to just 9 pounds over the next month. Calorie King calculates the calorie intake for reaching those short term goals.

edit: As to healthy food being expensive, sometimes yes, other times no.

No, mindreader, according to me it is irrelevant whether either is a choice or not...I never stated my position on gay lifestyles.

No one deserves to be attacked when they are minding their own business....be it an obese person, a gay person, a black person or nosy old authors.

Well, in the context of this thread, i was just saying that a lot of folks who never had to lose weight have a lot of strong opinions about the negative characteristics of those who need to.

Calorie King has silly metric measure...i dunno how man cm tall i am ferdryinoutloud.

is FitDay like that?

I've been told that the Weight Watchers site is good...

I suppose that's true for a lot of folks but I'm not really intimdated by the 100...i'm just demotivated by hitting the wall. i'd be perfectly content with, for instance, 7 pounds a month or so. Like I said, I'm trying to do something I can do from now on, nut just until a goal is reached, so I expect it to go slowly...but damn. I would like it to move a bit.

Google Calculator is your friend for converting units of measurement. You can just type your question into Google and it will give you an answer.

For Example

I think FitDay is American so the measurements there might be more to your taste.

I've tried the calorie calculators, and even giving generous calorie estimates and keeping in mind that you eat differently when you're scrutinizing your diet, I was still eating only 1400-1700 calories a day according to various calculators. Yet somehow not wasting away.

Were you active?

Not eating will make you lose weight. All those concentration camp victims can't be wrong. It takes an enormous amount of calorific intake to maintain the weight some of these people carry around. I am certainly far from skinny and need to lose about 30 pounds. Lots of weight gain after damaged knees from arthritis and its hard to exercise without making the pain worse. I have to make decisions every day denying myself some food or other. They can do the same thing. Its not easy and its about will power. We all have moments of failure and give in, but that is no excuse not to get back in line again.

Moderately active - desk job plus running, hiking, and bicycling several miles 3-4 times a week.

I am already on the small side, but isn't that 2,000-calorie diet based on what a moderately active 120-lb woman needs?

As far as I was aware, it was 1,700 for the average woman with moderate exercise, and 2,000 for men. (not planning on losing any weight).

But the .gov website doesn't really mention calories much, apart from in the search result, where theres a snipped about one large glass of wine being equal to four fishfingers.

:spinstone:

Heh. Heheh.

I guess these guys decided to fight obesity.

Ah, so you were just making a random comment in that thread while you dug up more clever smilies to let everyone know how bored you were.

And nowhere did I say anyone deserved to be attacked.

So WF is changing its m.o.? Someone should tell Anne Rice...

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Where do I say being gay is a choice? Where do I say or even imply I believe it's a choice? Oh, I know where...

And no, it isn't a "random comment", I am making a point. You are too busy assuming what you think I believe has a basis in reality and pulling shit out of your ass to actually comprehend the words in front of you.

Now you are being petty over smilies? The bottom of the barrel is pretty far down isn't it? :jackwitch:

Clearly. On a topic you're understandably touchy about.

I disapprove just as much when other people are attacked for no good reason, nice attempt at passive-aggressive trolling though. :givecookie:

"Good reason" being entirely subjective, of course.

"Good reason" generally being self-defense...when is it ok in your world to beat on other people?

When you find any indication anywhere that I said it was.

My guess is the attack was just random violence and wasn't motivated because she was fat. Yes, they yelled insults at her as they beat her but let's face it calling someone fat is the easiest insult in the world and street thugs aren't know for their creativity.