Fox News - Hush, Hush, and on the QT

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Now, I'm not a socialist, and I believe in private enterprise more than I'm sure I'll get credit for, but I have to believe that when things subvert the common good, people need to hang from trees.

I haven't watched the rest of this film, but this specific scene is what I wanted to discuss. Are journalists bound to tell the truth, or is there a first amendment loophole to lie and deceive?

Michael Moore "documentaries," now this.

I bet you watch a lot of Ghost Hunters on SyFy.

Nope. The first amendment might actually protect their right to lie.

^^All of the claims in that video are a matter of public record.

Whelp, time to boycott all Monsanto products....

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Come over to the conspiracy camp and I'll give you her number.

Ya know there's a reason I don't watch television news for anything more for the weather and attractive morning news girls. Yet for all the hand wringing, the fact that armed goons of the state have raided dairies for selling unpasteurized cow lactate goes largely unreported. Farmers have been arrested for selling milk to knowing and willing customers, and yet it receives no press.

And you want me to care about mere media entities being tools of large corporations?

Gotta start somewhere.

Depressing that the FDA is little more than a goon to rubberstamp and disrupt the competition of whatever organization has made the most [-]bribes[/-] campaign donations.

This just in..........MONEY TALKS!

You shouldn't have to start out by saying something like that. I would hope that the people on this board who clamor for freedom and liberty wouldn't call someone a socialist just because they want people to tell the truth, and so their loved ones don't die because a corporation can buy back it's sins from the FDA and major media outlets. While a free market is important, there should be a standard of ethics that surpasses money. Honesty above all in the free market.


J.

The reality of our situation is... disturbing.

Yes it is. The problem is that being honest doesn't make as much money, because then you have to be fair about things, you have to accept that some avenues of research didn't bring any positive results. Yet what do corps like Monsanto do? They sell it as a whole new bill of goods.

I swear, when Soylent Green is a reality, it will be the Monsanto Corporation that makes it a reality.

J.

Well, telling the truth may not be profitable, but lying isn't supposed to be either.

Repeat the story, don't buy their products.

The problem is that Monsanto is everywhere.


J.

Well, I am a socilaist and that clip is from the documentary The Corporation. Quite excellent, and from a decidedly socialist point of view.

As for the question, jouranlists do absolutely have the right to lie. The corporate ownership of the media (and everythign else) that causes this to happen is another question entirely, and the one being addressed by the documentary.

The 1st Amendment means that the press is free to say anything it wants, unchecked by the government. Yes that means they can lie. The problem has become in our society is that the media went from making some money while doing the best to tell the truth to making as much money as possible damn the truth if it gets in the way.

Monsato is people, not Gods.
And people can die.
And things that die can starve.
And things that starve can be stabbed in the wallet.
Power is still with the people.

The internet is the cure.
We're the free press now.
Technology will continue to democratize everything.
Knowledge is liberty.

They can kill a lot of people before they go down, and as we've seen, money can buy whatever you want. Look at it this way: As long as they have corporations to support them, they're not going anywhere. Hell, I think the U.S. government has contracts with them.

J.

They always do.
Add it to the "lessons of history", pile, and thus our evolution.

I will not accept a pile of bodies in exchange for eventual equivocation.


J.

Good.

Mother hates fda doesn't think give fullf acts on drugs they approve. She's icu nurse.

QFT.

The sad thing is that, at least in the case of the corporation that owns my station, they made more money when journalists ran the company than what they've made since the bean counters took over. I suspect that the same is true of other broadcasters as well. You can't treat a media outlet the same as you can a factory that makes light bulbs or jet engines. They're completely different animals.

And the notion of an "unbiased" press is a relatively new one. Ever read newspaper articles from the 1800s through the early- to mid-1900s? Very partisan/biased reporting.

You think this is recent? Where have you been for the past, oh, 120 years?

Media centralization has made it much much much worse. And the 24 hour news cycle. No media divisions within companies made as much money 40 years ago as they do now. CBS News ran at basically making nothing for CBS for decades until the 80s and 90s for example.

That annoying Asian trophy wife on cbs news.

So you're saying Chris probably saw it at the regular UAW meeting?

Watched the entire shareware version of the Documentary. Interesting stuff. Not as demonizing of the actual CEOs as you would think, more a criticism of the entire structure.

I loved the part of hippies hanging the murderer sign over the Shell execs house and end up being served tea and biscuits by the wife, while the husband comes out and explains reality for 3 hours.

Only in Britain!

Oh yeah, and added to my Amazon Shopping List.