Good Grief!

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  1. Eightball

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  2. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    As it happens, my uncle saw Charles Schlutz often during his morning run in college, and by all accounts, Chuck was a pretty square guy who didn't have a problem talking to him or the rest of the predominantly black Sonoma State track team like people :shrug:

    I mean, it's hardly the most offensive shit to make the airwaves, but I'm not overly bothered by people pointing out, "Um excuse me, wtf is this?" either. That's how we learn and evolve.
     
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  3. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    It was.

    When he introduced Franklin to the strip (after the school teacher reached out to him and when I think he himself took the time to talk to other black educators about the right way of going about this), many newspaper pulled the strip from syndication or refused to run that one.

    I believe Schultz introducing Franklin came from a good place. Too bad it took the rest of the world handling media the time to catch up on that. :marathon:
    Funny you brought up Good Times, because the actor who played the dad and Ester Rolls brought up concerns that JJ was falling into being nothing by a catchphrase-spewing stereotype that people were laughing at while regressing him into a boofoon who couldn't even read. John Amos eventually was fired over his disagreements and Rolls left in season 4 over it.

    https://web.archive.org/web/2016041...es.latimes.com/2006/apr/14/local/me-monte14/2

    Just because you're the best game in town doesn't make you above reproach. :shrug:
     
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    I did wonder about that to begin with because I never saw peanuts as racist and I was aware the creators were inclusive for their time. When I thought about that snoopy's placement was odd. Marcy would have been next to patty as they were all to often together. Now it would have also looked racist to have franklin alone with the dog, but you could have placed snoopy where marcy and marcy next to sir.

    Also I had to wonder why leave the other characters out when Schroder and Lucy would have easily gotten a seat at the table. Really, it is odd to not see lucy at all unless of course she was raping Schroder inside on the piano and that is why both were conspicuously absent. At this point the table is becoming a bit long for the picture. It seems from a normal peanuts standpoint Lucy would be there bossing people around long before franklin would be there.
     
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    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    or maybe folks who can't see it because it has never affected them should stop telling those that it has affected that they don't really see it because it's not really there?

    The biggest flaw of privilege is that it can never risk LISTENING to those who don't have it.
     
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  6. T.R

    T.R Don't Care

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    Looks like some are accusing J.K Rowling of racism with the Nagini character in Fantastic Beasts

    Frankly after everything we saw Nagini do in the last two Potter movies, I'm surprised that people thought that was just a simple snake.

    The article makes an interesting point about the lack of representation of minorities in the Potter books, but I don't see the issue with adding backstory to previous characters that were not well fleshed out.
     
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    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Don't forget that Hermione was black.....
     
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    Well, her ideas are just a mix of things other people have created. So really the idea probably came from someone else in some other creation and she just reused it. Unless for the first time ever she actually had her own thought in which case then maybe I will get angry.
     
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    It's mostly all this hanger-on, last minute diversity stuff that is truly irritating to people. It's one thing to blurt out Dumbledore was gay 3 months after the last book was published in '07, but then to duck out of showing any of that as the HP world expands to include Wizard Hitler 1.0? Yeah....:shrug:

    Too bad I won't live long enough to see this become public domain and get someone to do what "Anne with an E" is doing to the Anne of Green gables story.
     
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    that's the thing about the Last Supper - the only way to see all their faces is to put them (in the painting) on one side of the table. I don't think the back of people's heads obscuring the view would be very popular! :lol:
     
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    That is what I am talking about in an artistic sense. The framing of the last supper picture is so you can see everyone's face towards the center viewpoint. If you actually had a table like that outside of a event seating it would be odd. It is odd to see all the characters on the right side of the table. Unless franklin was carving and serving the turkey it would make no sense. That would be cool if he was carving the turkey because that is often a position of respect when there are not servants around.
     
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    Is that the version with zombies? :unsure:
     
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    Have you watched the second season yet? I just noticed that it was out and haven't gotten to it yet.
     
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    That’s what it seems like. Plus he’s across from Charlie Brown and the two seem to be friends. Maybe they did that so they can talk face to face. At least that’s how I like to eat with others. Whoever you want to focus on the most sits across from you not besides you.


    That’s not saying there was some motive from an exec because it was a different time. Creators had very little control and things would be changed to satisfy local stations and advertisers. The Kirk/Uhura kiss wasn’t even broadcast in the South. Things had to be snuck in, Rod Sterling talked about it a lot. It’s why he went to science fiction, the money men didn’t really notice it as much. So he could talk about politics using Martians and Venusians because they freaked when it was Republicans and Democrats. A lot of people assume that television is creator run because that is more or less the case now, but that’s a fairly recent thing mostly because cable and streaming became major competition.