Halftime To End. Though Not As Far South As We Were Led To Believe....

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  1. evenflow

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  3. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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  4. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    Let the Balkanization begin! :muad:
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  7. Jeff Cooper Disciple

    Jeff Cooper Disciple You've gotta be shittin' me.

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    I think the states have every right to leave (after all there's nothing in the Constitution that says they can't and by default if it isn't in the Constitution it's a state issue), but I don't think there is anything behind this. After all, even the pro-collective right crowd is acknowledging that there is some truth to the idea that the Second Amendment is an individual right, at least in some ways.

    However, I wonder if Wyoming has really thought this through. They have less than half a million people. If not everyone is keen on leaving, then what? Civil War in Wyoming with one side backed by the feds and the other side backed by Keyboard Kommandos?

    Not to mention the idea that while a lack of federal taxes will put more money in an average Wyomingite's pockets, federal funding for everything dries up completely. Those roads aren't going to pay for themselves you know, so Wyomingites will either have to start paying taxes again or do without.

    And then there are the practicle issues of their economy. They are totally surrounded by states, some of which won't leave the Union. Their economy is nearly all from extracted resources. What happens when their minerals and natural gas can't get to market? Never mind the terrain isn't exactly ideal for agriculture. Who is going to feed those half a million folk if the feds lock down the border? You can't feel a starving child a rock. How about power? About half the powerplants in the state are outright owned and operated by the feds. One airstrike later and they no longer exist. Where are the spare parts for the rest going to come from if the border is locked down?

    And what about the Indians that live their and would like their property back? Will Wyoming be okay if the Arapaho and Shosone decide they'd really like their real estate back now that their treaties with the US are no longer in effect?

    I doubt that this proclaimation has any teeth behind it and is just for show, especially knowing that there is little or no chance of the Supreme Court actually ruling for collective rights.
  8. Jeff Cooper Disciple

    Jeff Cooper Disciple You've gotta be shittin' me.

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    I think the states have every right to leave (after all there's nothing in the Constitution that says they can't and by default if it isn't in the Constitution it's a state issue), but I don't think there is anything behind this. After all, even the pro-collective right crowd is acknowledging that there is some truth to the idea that the Second Amendment is an individual right, at least in some ways.

    However, I wonder if Wyoming has really thought this through. They have less than half a million people. If not everyone is keen on leaving, then what? Civil War in Wyoming with one side backed by the feds and the other side backed by Keyboard Kommandos?

    Not to mention the idea that while a lack of federal taxes will put more money in an average Wyomingite's pockets, federal funding for everything dries up completely. Those roads aren't going to pay for themselves you know, so Wyomingites will either have to start paying taxes again or do without.

    And then there are the practicle issues of their economy. They are totally surrounded by states, some of which won't leave the Union. Their economy is nearly all from extracted resources. What happens when their minerals and natural gas can't get to market? Never mind the terrain isn't exactly ideal for agriculture. Who is going to feed those half a million folk if the feds lock down the border? You can't feel a starving child a rock. How about power? About half the powerplants in the state are outright owned and operated by the feds. One airstrike later and they no longer exist. Where are the spare parts for the rest going to come from if the border is locked down?

    And what about the Indians that live their and would like their property back? Will Wyoming be okay if the Arapaho and Shosone decide they'd really like their real estate back now that their treaties with the US are no longer in effect?

    I doubt that this proclaimation has any teeth behind it and is just for show, especially knowing that there is little or no chance of the Supreme Court actually ruling for collective rights.
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  9. Jeff Cooper Disciple

    Jeff Cooper Disciple You've gotta be shittin' me.

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    What's Wyoming got to do with it? The state in question is Montana.
  12. Jeff Cooper Disciple

    Jeff Cooper Disciple You've gotta be shittin' me.

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    I got confused thinking about the Wyoming Free Syayers who were also on my mind. Mea culpa.
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    Oh, Montana, give this child a home
    Give him the love of a good family and a woman of his own
    Give him a fire in his heart, give him a light in his eyes
    Give him the wild wind for a brother and the wild Montana skies

    Rock on Montana!!
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    Marso High speed, low drag.

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    I would liked to have seen Montana... :necro:
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