@Ancalagon has you I'm afraid. You are saying you are against Trump and his policies as well as being against Putin. Yet you are quite happy to champion Assange as a crusader. The same Assange who defended Russia against the Clinton campaign's anti-Russian rhetoric and who deliberately launched an attack on said campaign to give Trump the upper had. Assange even promised to destroy the Clinton campaign with his "October Surprise". Oh, and let's not forget that Wikileaks actively sought out Donald Trump Jr. and offered dirt on Clinton. Hell, Wikileaks routinely avoids upsetting the Russians. There's a seriously bad smell around it where Russia is concerned, let alone Trump. Hell, Assange even used to have a show on Russia Today! Assange is no champion of free speech. He's a man pursuing a political agenda. He picks and chooses what he wants to release and obtain based on his agenda, not for the good of the public. See the wood for the trees. He's a cunt.
As @RickDeckard pointed out, we were talking about meddling in elections and I even said as much. I don’t know if the CIA has conducted cyber attacks, but they’ve definitely done some shady shit over the years so I wouldn’t put it past them.
You present these things as if there's some sort of tension, as if free speech is antithetical to engaging in politics. As usual, you're all over the place.
Okay. I wasn't talking about stuff that everybody has always done to everyone else. I was talking about Russia launching cyber attacks in order to get Trump elected, and to a lesser degree, the Russian troll bot army weaponizing social media. I thought that's what the whole mess has been about ever since 2016.
I consider those things part of the spy game. It’s no different than in other efforts to undermine our elections prior to the internet and social media.You shouldn’t be surprised by this. What’s disturbing is that Trump doesn’t believe it and or doesn’t care because he won.
I'm thankful our president is a retard, because if he were actually halfway-competent he would be much more successful in accomplishing his agenda.
I mean, some 200 million eligible voters saw that he was retarded and didn't vote for him, it's just that 170 million of them didn't vote at all(probably because they didn't think he'd win). But yes, the 63,000,000 million who did vote for him aren't that bright.
I see it as quite different. If it's not, then why are we sanctioning the shit out of Russia for this particular series of attacks?
Meanwhile, when asked by a reporter if Russia is still targeting the US, Trump said "no", directly contradicting Dan Coats, while just down Pennsylvania Avenue, an FSB operative is undergoing a hearing for conspiracy to fuck with the United States.
Because they were found out? Because it's more heinous? I don't know. But look at this case with Maria Butina ,() it's classic espionage. It's like a page taken from The Americans. I'd imagine we'd put sanctions on Russia if we caught them doing anything.
More heinous you say? Wouldn't that make it different than the other efforts to undermine our elections.
It’s different because they’re hacking us and using Facebook instead of infiltrating colleges and some of the other stuff they did during the Cold War.
So it's different because it's more heinous and because of the cyber attacks and Russian Facebook bots?
I'd say it's no different than anything done in the past, the only difference is the technology used.
I truly think you are a stupid individual who suffers from some sort of mental condition. Thus why you try to drag me to the opposite side of where I have so consistently been, something so hard to believe, on this issue unless you suffer from some sort of mental condition. Maybe it is time you seek professional help?
He's trying to say you're frequently drunk and therefore are consequently illiterate and slow to understand, but at least you have the substance abuse excuse whereas Trump doesn't. I don't know what your post has to do with your political positions. I do know what it has to do with the substance abuse....
So, Trump is apparently "considering" Putin's offer to extradite the 12 Russians indicted by Mueller if the US gives Russian investigators access to a wishlist of folks he would very much like dead. Such as Bill Browder - says its for tax fraud but Browder is a major, major advocate of the Magnitsky Act. Also former US ambassador McFaul.
So do you truly believe there was no collusion, or do you just not want to support an accusation that's inconvenient for your goals? Putin isn't just accused of meddling in the 2016 US election, he's also accused of trying to take down Merkel in 2017. It's not an unfounded conspiracy theory, it's one of his established tactics. Trump is a Republican president. The party of Joe McCarthy Commie Hunter, of Ronald Reagan, Slayer of the USSR. The party that condemned Obama for his "reset" with Russia, the party that kept insisting Obama was ignoring the Russian threat... Right up until Trump won the nomination, then suddenly they're falling over themselves to be buddies with Putin. Pushing for policies that undermine NATO. Alienating China and Europe. Cancelling Korean wargames near Russia. Undermining American intelligence agencies. Fucking over American soybean producers. Why? Who benefits? Russia. When's the last time Wikileaks published something critical of Russia? Of Trump? Of Putin? Of Merkel's challengers?
Don’t forget Brexit. Putin has busted up the EU, NATO, and the President of the United States is his personal bitch. I would say the West is in retreat, but the word “retreat” would imply some orderly action taken for a strategic purpose. This is a full-on rout.
Selectively obtaining and releasing dirt on your political enemies while obtaining and withholding dirt on your allies does not a champion of free speech make. Speaking of, remember when Wikileaks had their private communications with Donald Trump Jr. leaked to the media and cried bloody murder about it? Is that something that noble champions of free speech would do?
I had a longer reply, but my computer screwed me over. Yes I'd agree with that. Because Facebook is such a widely used public forum and some people bought what the bots were selling, it definitely makes it worse. Also, because the DNC was hacked, that most certainly unprecedented. But I'd say that what we saw in 2016 is just another form of espionage and it's not going to stop, so we might as well get used to it and figure out how to counter it.
Thats bullshit. In December of 2016, Obama imposed massive sanctions on Russia and expelled dozens of Oligarchs & diplomats. It was your boy Trump that sent Michael Flynn to a Russian diplomat to let Russia know that Trump planned to ease the sanctions after his inauguration. Flynn later plead guilty to several charges related to these events and is currently cooperating with the Meuller investigation. Again, sanctions imposed and Georgia happened under Bush II. Russian aggression in that part of the world really should be under the auspices of Europe instead of the US anyway. We were engaged in 2 hot wars at the time and Obama went to the Republican controlled congress to authorize war powers against Syria. They never brought the proposal to the floor after slamming it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1019899507910283264 Again with the “good relationship” crap. He’s not even pretending to talk about the US-Russia relationship. This is all about the Trump-Putin relationship. Why is that relationship so important to him, to the point that it overrides every national security concern?
