Hey Sony PS3 Fanboys... Defend this!

How come none of the PS3s that I can actually go out and buy in stores now have any sort of PS2 emulation?

The 60GB model is supposed to have actual PS2 hardware, ergo full compatibility - System totally unavailable in the Greater Phoenix Area

The 80GB model at least has software emulation. Not as good as the 60GB model of course, but at least it's something - System totally unavailable in the Greater Phoenix Area

The 40GB model has neither hardware nore software emulation. Can't play PS2 titles at all. - System stacked to the roof on every shelf of every store in the Greater Phoenix Area

Are there any 60GB or 80GB systems available anywhere?

The first mistake you made was going PS3 shopping.

i have no clue which kind my little bro has at home but i play PS2 on it all the time with no problems.

i suppose you could always go out and buy a [-]$350 paperweight[/-] xbox

Sony stripped out the PS2 hardware emulation to save money.

As far as I am aware the 60gb model with hardware emulation is not being produced anymore and stores were still selling off old stock. I would suggest that stores have lots of the 40gb version because people looking to buy a ps3 are already commited to spending a fair chunk of money so will spend a little more to get the best model.

Why the fuck would you want to play any PS2 games on your PS3? Just play them on your PS2 or better yet move on to the future of gaming... or buy yourself a red ring machine, whatever makes you happy.

Because I have a lot of PS2 games, and no PS2.

See above.

Already did two years ago. See below.

2 years in and I have yet to see one "red ring" on my Xbox 360.

Grand Theft Auto: Vice City.

Yes, GTA IV is coming out soon (thanks PS3 for pushing that back with your stupid fucking architecture). But I'm afraid it just isn't going to have the feel that Vice City does. Maybe once they come out with a Vice City sequel to GTA IV. Until then? Nope.

That's one reason. I'm sure there are hundreds more.

Because having two different machines hooked up is clearly the best solution.

There's this aphorism about those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

A lot of games are already just basically older games with shiny new packaging. Let's not encourage it.

A. RROD has been solved on recent hardware revisions, but I'm sure you're aware.
B. Every XBox 360 can play any emulation-supported game, of which half of the entire XBox library meets. Match up to the 72% of supported games on the emulated PS3? Nope. But the 360's emulation doesn't require a special GPU because the original XBox's architecture wasn't designed while on a crack binge.

Solved? You must have a different definition of 'solved' than most people.

The Red Ring of Death still occurs in 16% of new Xboxes.

Even with the new motherboards and chips, etc. there are still 1/6 that are failing, which is still a very high number. Not as bad as the 33% it was known for, but still enough of an issue to be concerned.

Compare that to 3/100 failure rate for the PS3 and Wii.

That says absolutely nothing about what hardware revisions are failing, just that a sixth of the consoles that went through their warranty department failed. It certainly does not say that they are new XBox 360s.

In fact, from SquareTrade's own blog:

Emphasis mine, of course.

What is the likelyhood of getting a newer Xbox?

That last testing period was July of 2007, which was about 8 months ago. And M$ announced the changes in July, which would have taken them at least a few months to implement, manufacture, and distribute the newer models. Chances are, if you walk into a retail store right now, there will still be older Xboxes sitting there from July 2007 and before. Which means, essentially, you are still playing Russian Roulette with getting a Red Ring Machine.
How can you tell if you are getting a crappy old-model one, or a newer less crappy one?

That's cute. I disprove your statement using the very source of your "proof," which is really just a poorly written, misrepresentative article, and so it's on to a whole other issue that you've dreamed up.

To quote the announcement Microsoft made:

Again, emphasis mine. Not "will make." Past-tense. In fact, the refurbed RROD units started getting the additional heatsink that the revision featured in June.

Chances are not, in fact, that you will run into a pre-revision XBox on a retail shelf. A few reasons. One, XBoxes don't sit on the shelves like 40 GB PS3s. Two, they had great sales over the holiday season, resulting in shortages. Three, and stay with me, distribution does not take seven months to filter out.

Finally, if one is still paranoid, I'm pretty sure the SKU on the box has some sort of indication of the revision, so if you aren't just blindly throwing your money around, you can check to make sure.

Somehow this reminds me of something else . . .


All the same, I can certainly think of a few older games I wish they'd repackage. Just make it compatible with newer comps and I don't care about the graphics.

If their new Xbox's are so great I wonder why M$ needed to enhance their 3 year warranty for new Xboxes as well?
And I highly doubt the new Xboxes have a failure rate less than the 3% of the Wii or PS3, but don't let that get in the way of your enjoying Bill Gates massaging your untouched penis.

Be stupid and buy a red ring machine, not my money to waste.

How many games are out for the PS3?

Probably to avoid customer confusion? Or hell, maybe just to help with consumer confidence? Added value perhaps? Hell, I'm even up for simply "Learning a lesson and covering their asses." Sony did that after the hilariously fragile PS2. Is Sony the only one that's allowed to do that?

I'd welcome any actual figures you have on the new revision's failure rates, and I'd imagine that'd be a slightly more persuasive argument than talking about my penis.

Well, you wouldn't have money to waste after blowing it on that $500 paperweight, so I'd never ask you to do it.

I'm not a heavy gamer, but my brother's had every Nintendo system since the N64, and both it and the Gamecube (aside from the a bit of struggle with closing the top) work great.

Meanwhile, we've been thought about two Xboxes, and my brother learned from our cousins' mistake of PS2's fail [-]and AIDS[/-] of having to replace theirs every year or so and won't even consider buying anything from Sony.

Speaking of which, there were a couple of games I wanted for PS2 (mostly ones that aren't out for the Wii, which is...well, everything that isn't Guitar Hero ) and I notice the price has fallen a bit since it's heyday. Are the newer models any good? I really don't want something that might kick the bucket next year, which is why I haven't jumped on the 360 bandwagon.

You Xbox guys can hate on the PS3 all you want, but the fact is, most of the good games out there are all being released on both PS3 and Xbox 360, and with the PS3 you get a Blu-ray player.

PS3 is a solid deal. Xbox 360 ain't bad either.

Personally, I haven't bought either one because they just haven't tickled my fancy enough.

I have been considering a PS3 though, now that Blu-ray is a sure bet.

As much as I bash on the PS3, it is far less because of the machine, which is a solid, architecturally interesting system, but rather, it's because of people, well, like Scorp.

This attitude that the PS3 can do no wrong. The seemingly obsessive need to validate his purchase by attempting to point out perceived flaws in the competition at every turn. Sometimes they're blatantly false. Sometimes, they're just grasping at straws.

The funny thing is, it's pretty much Sony's attitude too. Very conceited. Not at all attractive.

By the way Anna, I've got a slimline PS2 on loan from a friend (doing DDR to get some more exercise into my life so that people other than Bill Gates will want to touch my penis), and it just seems very flimsy to me. I guess they're more reliable than the older models, though.

Truthfully though, I never said the PS3 could do no wrong. Sony itself is just as evil of a company as M$. Rootkit anyone? At least Bill Gates donates tons of money to charity.

I just pick a side and troll. Xbox just happens to be the one I pick because it has historically had a very obsessed fanbase that wants badly to be #1. This could be said for all systems, but over the years, it seems I'd get the reaction I want more from Xboxers, since Nintendo and Sony had already before achieved the top spot with their other systems.

Actually, this is one console generation where each system offers something unique and tailored to a specific sort of consumer.

I don't think any of the three are superior to the others... just different.

Even though I follow gaming news and know a lot about video game history and development I wouldn't actually call myself a hardcore gamer.

I spend more reading about games than actually playing them. And when I do get bored and sit down to play a game it's something simple like flash-based Joust or Ms. Pac Man online or Castlevania on my NES Emulator.

I don't have time to really sit down and slog through a game like Call of Duty 4 or World of Warcraft. Even though I have more than a dozen games for my GameCube and tons of games for my PC...

I'll probably get a Wii at some point but I'm not in any hurry.

Seriously, if I could find the 80GB (software emu is better than no emu), I'd snatch it up right away.

I have a European launch PS2 and it's still going strong...

So far none of my consoles have crapped out on me. NES, Genesis, SNES, N64, Dreamcast, GCN, Wii, all still in working order.

Oh and Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, Gameboy Advance SP are all still working as well.

Nintendo is making the right choice for Nintendo.

They've realized that they can't really compete in the graphical arms race anymore. Sony and MS are massive corporations and have tons of resources to throw into their systems.

But they are playing to their strengths... they've broadened their sights beyond the hardcore gamer. Everybody is playing the Wii and everybody wants one.

And Nintendo makes the sort of games that can appeal to the wider audience. The best games for their console are all 1st party Nintendo properties...

Super Mario Galaxy, The Legend Of Zelda, Metroid Prime, Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, etc...

They could've have made their online multiplayer system better though. It's pathethic next to Xbox Live. Smash Bros. Brawl and Mario Kart will definitely be fun to play online but it'd be even more fun if they had a more capable online service.

Lawl.

Console graphics become out-of-date a few months after release. NONE of them can compete .