How I Would Fix The Last Star Trek Movie

That's not enough, he has to make us heathens realize we're wrong to enjoy it

Yes. It. Does.

I humbly submit the person who made the view is an insightful genius

Come on, the whole 'wrong font' meme was amusing, but it highlights how there's a wide swathe of fandom who won't be satisfied unless everything is done to their particular ideal.

Fix the plotholes to the last movie, and toys would still be getting tossed out of the pram over miniscule bollocks like the font and naming a planet the same as another one.

What was one of the biggest squeals from Stewey about ENT? Akiraprise.

And he's representative of a chunk of miserable, churlish buggers who want a Trek that never really existed and never will do.

Come up with brilliant characters, fantastic storylines and still they'd find something to hate.

I used to be one of them. But then I got laid.

ecky's on the rampage today.

Wow. So now the truth comes out.

I really do feel sorry for you.

This is not in any way a troll nor am I being sarcastic.

Sorry, I'm not very good about that putting my fingers in my ears and going "Lalalalalala!" thing.

Except that's wrong.

No, it was just a weak argument.

What it illustrates is the conceitedness of some of the people who gush about this movie. It's an amusing meme because of how absurd it is to think anyone would make that argument, but it's just as absurd to try to make out every critic of the movie as being like that.

Attention to detail is usually a good thing.

Which is actually a legitimate criticism, like it or not. It's just not something to get a nosebleed over.

He's a representative of what you imagine as an enemy. In the end you're both just nerds, like everyone else who argues about Star Trek.

So? You think this is an excuse to come up with shallow, stupid characters, and moronic storylines? Really?

No, you're still a nerd, because you're still here arguing about Star Trek.

Maybe you're right.

Maybe you're wrong.

What is really sad is that there have been no brilliant characters or fantastic storylines in Star Trek in more than a decade.

So I guess we won't know.

I'll make one further suggestion about Star Trek.

Put time travel and I mean ALL time travel of any kind in Star Trek on hold.

No time travel stories.

Because from what I've observed time travel stories just invite all kinds of ridiculous and idiotic, incomprehensive, and unbelievable plot problems.

And I honestly think that time travel has become a crutch that Star Trek writers of all kinds use.

I am stuck agreeing dayton on time travel.

Well, I started the wring font thing because I love the good ol' Enterprise and have spent 40 years trying to perfect building models of her. And that includes studying all the details so I can get them right, including, yes, the hull font (I know guys who make and sell aftermarket decals who have been nice enough to give me the font file they created). I have all the blueprints. I build kitbashes, trying to use existing known tech rules. I'm a Trek Tech fan.

I was really hoping they wouldn't change the iconic ship very much.

They not only changed her, they made her ridiculous-looking, and downright fugly. With the wrong font.

Yes, of COURSE I like good stories, well told, but the tech is my little corner of fandom.

And anyway, I don't consider this film a good story well told.

Wonder if obama was upset about the font him being a big trek fan

This comment really troubles me. Why do you expect more? It is a science fiction franchise that is still going for two reasons. Firstly it is to entertain, and secondly it is to make the studio money.

Yes, we can all subscribe to this grand notion that Trek was a cut above the rest, that it was a moral and thoughtful product. That we got that little bit extra out of it was a great and notable bonus, but it is utterly foolish to imagine that Star Trek is anything other that what I have stated.

Hell, in your own post you state how much money you have spent on the franchise. I think that proves my point. More fool you for spending the money if you don't get what you want out of the franchise.

I had and still have issues with the design of the new Enterprise, but not enough to have a sulk over.

You're lucky in that you are one of the few of the nitpickers who manager to get married before becoming a sad bastard.

Even a time travel story that junked JJverse and restored the prime universe?

Movie was great.

I've got no gripes with Delta Vega. There can be two planets by the same name.

Some depth to the story and the characters? Maybe something that would engage us a little instead of just being mindless fluff?

Which isn't mutually exclusive with being good, except that being good definitely helps on both counts.

The point isn't that it's entertainment, it's more the type of entertainment. There is plenty of other mindless entertainment out there, so when it comes to something like Star Trek, can you really claim it's unreasonable to expect more than just a slightly different form of mindless entertainment?

Why must Star Trek be different from the rest? What is it's divine right?

There was more wrong with Delta Vega than the name, which was just inappropriately wasted as a lame name-drop. The larger problem with it was the proximity to Vulcan - somehow close enough to see it collapse into a black hole, yet it didn't fall victim to it itself, or even suffer any kind of ill effects from it (earthquakes, time slowing down relative to the rest of the universe, etc.), not to mention that Starfleet apparently had no problem assigning only 2 people to a planet full of hostile life-forms. But then that's getting more into faults of the storyline.

I'm talking about it being a more cerebral form of entertainment as opposed to being another dime a dozen mindless sci-fi. Why do you think Star Trek should be the same as the rest instead of standing out from them?

I don't think it should be the same as the rest. I prefer the cerebral element and I think that was sorely missed from JJ Trek.

However, I think there are far too many fans who have been deluded into thinking that there is any interest from the studio in making a cerebral product. There never has been. Trek has been lucky enough to have had some writers and producers who have cared about that part of the franchise, but ultimately all the studios have ever cared about is how much money can be made, and unfortunately for fans like you if low brow Star Trek gets bums on seats and sells serious amount of tickets and merchandise then that is the direction the studio will go in, irrespective of what you think you are entitled to.

Cool.

That's part of why it sucked as much as it did. As much flak as B&B get from even myself, some of the more retarded ideas were from the studio because they thought everything should be as close to TNG as possible, their logic being that TNG was popular at the time it aired. That's part of why the DS9 producers have my respect, because they fought tooth and nail to make their show better instead of doing what the studio wanted.

Who said anything about entitlement? This isn't about being "entitled" to Star Trek that doesn't suck, it's about wanting the people who are working on the show to actually give a shit about the kind of product they're putting out and expressing my distaste at the lack of quality in said product. I could be bitching about Star Wars, too, and how much the prequels sucked, but that doesn't equate to thinking I'm "entitled" to anything.

Abrams' STAR TREK has at least one thing going for it:

yes?

Kind of "if we have to have the snakes, at least let them kill the mice" situation"....

Are you forgetting Scotty's sidekick? I've got a feeling he/she/it will be the Jar Jar of the next movie. (I can't recall hearing anyone saying that they liked Scotty's sidekick, no matter how they felt about the film.)

He didn't sound like Jar-Jar, so I guess it has that going for it.

What are you talking about? A good chunk of the movie is devoted to giving depth to characters, particularly Kirk and Spock. They give us some family history, childhood highlights, traumatic events, influential encounters with role models and dozens of other insights into who the characters are and why they act the way they do. Characters are put into crisis and forced to deal with their weaknesses and the weaknesses of comrades. Characters experience self discovery while discovering insights about each other. They even have a nice scene where Sarek shares with Spock the nature of is relationship to Amanda. Gripes about plot holes I can understand, but character depth? Now you're just hating.

Not really, no. We saw a few minutes of their childhood. Kirk was shown as being stereotypically arrogant and rebellious and Spock was shown as being uncharacteristically emotional, and they both continued to be that. There wasn't any depth to their characters at any point in the movie, they were simply what "mainstream" audiences were supposed to expect them to be.

And just like in every other mindless action film, that didn't equate to character or story depth. For that matter I never even got any real sense of drama - even Vulcan's destruction felt empty.

I didn't see any of that. I saw a formulaic "friendship" develop, which started out with the two of them hating each other and thanks to the emergency of the movie they somehow became practically insta-friends.

That was one of the lamest scenes of the movie which was made worse by the actor they found to play Sarek.

No, I just didn't see any more character depth than one would see in any other mindless action fluff.

I think your interpretation of those scenes is extremely shallow. But at the end of the day, I don't really care if you change your mind.

You should've stopped there

I can't agree - the ENT mirror universe eps were very good, and Regeneration - if you ignore the premise that Picard and co felt littering 22nd century Earth with Borg tech was a sensible idea - was well done.

I've said before, there's a lot of rose-tinted viewing of Trek that tends to forget TOS had it's share of arse.

Mind you, without Shore Leave we would never have had Rimmerworld...

In post 146 Captain X manages to complain about lack of character development in the same post as complaining about a piece of character development

Gee, really? I had not realized that until you informed me.

Right back at you.

Actually I complained about lack of character depth.