I want a MILLION LENS FLAIRS in my next Star Wars movie please!

THAT is what makes a movie!

Well fuck me running!

I guess we can go ahead and forget about the next Star Wars returning to what made it work the first times... THE CHARACTERS.

He just needs to keep Rick McCallum on board and together they can brew us up the perfect cinematic clusterfuck.

Not like J.J. can rape Star Wars any harder than Georgie-boy did.

Frankly, fthe next film were one continuous series of lens flare, sutible for inducing epileptic seizures, it would be more entertaining than any of the Episodes 1-3.

The odd thing is that there was a story just a week or so ago in which JJ declared he had no interest in this job because he was such an intense SW fan that he wanted to see the new stuff as a fan only, and not as someone involved with the "nuts and bolts"



Oh, and also - the argument that most SF fans have always made was that Star Trek was supposed to be "thinking" SF and Star Wars was much more "fun" SF

And I see no reason to think JJ is going to have any trouble delivering "fun"

He'll fuck it up.

He does special effects, not character depth.

But then again, there is nobody on the planet worse at writing for actual humans than George Lucas
Actors were just these pesky things he needed to put in front of a blue screen.

This will be about the flash and not the characters. That's just Abrams style. Just above Michael Bay.

Flairs?

So I imagine he's going to drop Star Trek?? Is there any way he could muster to do both? Would sci-fi fans even want that?

2015. Star Trek 13: The Star Wars.

Make it happen.

You're joking, right?

The last Trek film did something that the other Trek films rarely accomplished by making all of the characters interesting. So many times in Trek movies the story surrounded the "Big 3", and everyone else stood around as window dressing with maybe a line or two of dialogue. But in the last film Abrams got everyone to have their moment to shine, something Lucas couldn't do in his whole damn lifetime. And the character development for both Kirk and Spock in the last movie were very believable, with both actors bringing a great chemistry to the roles.

I'm more excited now than ever to see a JJ Star Wars film. I know for a fact he's going to do the one thing that Lucas completely failed to do as a director since the original Star Wars debuted in 1977 (Empire gets a pass since he didn't direct it), and that is to bring a sense of fun and adventure back to the screen. You can quibble all you want about lens flares (which didn't bother me in the slightest) and plot holes in the last Trek, but the man knows how to make a damn fun and entertaining popcorn film, and that's exactly what the Star Wars franchise needs.

^Some people define "fun" differently.

Yeah, like the people who enjoy watching cars rust, or have a good time at the polka festival.

Wrong font!

I'd think & hope Disney would try & find better (MUCH BETTER) people than Abrams, Lindelof, Entc Ent al, for Episodes VII through IX. They ARE out there. To be honest/imo Abrams was cut from the same cloth as Michael Bay. As if that's not bad enough he likes to work with & bring in that Lindelof hack on his projects.

Lindelof is not involved. They already have the writer for Star Wars VII & VIII lined up -- Michael Arndt for VII and Lawrence Kasdan for VIII.

I'm sorry, but which of the original Star Wars characters had depth?

Luke did in Empire.

Eh. so?

Seriously, look at the characters in the 3 (or 2, in some folks opinion) GOOD Star Wars movies and tell me honestly that there was any more "character development" in them than there was in JJ Trek.

Han and Luke and Liea and Darth were all basic standard serial adventure stereotypes, and others were even less developed. Luke the reluctant hero who doubts himself, Leia thestrong independent princess, Han the loveable rogue.

And we, as an audience, were JUST FINE with that. Why should we ask JJ to do something that the original and best films never did?

I can relate to the claim that JJ wasn't right for Star Trek (albeit, I don't know that paramount would have taken a chance on a, say, Nolan-type version of Star Trek) but there is nothing at all wrong with JJ doing Star Wars and honestly, there wouldn't be THAT much wrong with Bay doing it.

Transformers, for instance, was a perfectly fine summer popcorn turn-off-your-brain action movie and in 1977, that's exactly what Star Wars was.

He only committed to - and likely only ever intended - three Trek films. All it takes is some scheduling finesses and ST3 would be mostly done by the time SW1 got intense.

Indeed.

Plus, it's utter nonsense that what made SW/TESB entertaining was the character development.

He's probably more suited to Star Wars than Star Trek, but I'm not overly enthused.

Opinions differ on what constitutes "interesting". I'd say he made them into cardboard cutouts.

R2-D2.

So you're saying Spock was a cardboard cut-out in Abram's film?

Perhaps less than some of the others, but there was nothing at all subtle or nuanced about him. The strengths of Abrams Trek movie - and those do exist - are in the action and spectacle.

Re: I want a MILLION LENS FLARES in my next Star Wars movie please!

I don't remember any great reluctance from Luke "it'll be just like shooting womp rats in Beggars Canyon!" Skywalker . . .

Wait a minute. Is this suppose to be a serious response or are you just trolling?

I'd be happy to blast holes all in this, but I don't want to waste my time if you metaphorically have a pallet that's best suited for McDonald's food when it comes to what you expect from movies.

Either that or you're 19 years old and think that a Transformer with big round metal Transformer balls hanging down while climbing a pyramid is 'super awesome cool'.

You. Same goes for you. Read my previous post.

Hollywood fucking loves you guys. They can shit out rehashed, seizure-inducing garbage all summer long and you guys just lap it up.

Star Trek V had more character development by itself than that garbage released in 2009.

Maybe you can steer me towards the character development in that movie. Was it the awesome water slide derp action piece in the brewery... uh, I mean the engine room? Was it Spock acting so completely out of character to attract the MTV crowd? Fuck the brig! Let's have Spock jettison Kirk and leave him to die! Was it Kirk's big Mickey Mouse hands derp scene? I'm sure that will come up again as a defining moment for Kirk. Was it his acting like a douchebag during the cringe worthy Kobayashi Maru scene? Oh, I know where the development was! Spock is porking Uhura! We know this because they TOLD us about it in that turbolift scene. The kids LOVE that shit! That's why they tune into endless reality television. Fuck it, toss that little unecessary tidbit into this rat turd soup! It'll track well with focus groups.

Goddamn the whole thing is sad, really. It's especially sad for people who claim to have grown up caring about these characters.

But yeah, chief. You've really got it figured out. People obviously never gave a shit about Star Trek characters. Back when it was first came on, everybody watched because it had the best sets, special effects and action sequences!

Yeah, ol' JJ's really got his finger on the pulse of what made Star Trek so loved to begin with. Pew pew!

You get awfully angry over Star Trek.

Anger doesn't really translate well in text, so try not to assign emotions to something said when you don't really know.

In the end, it's only a fucking movie. Go see it. Don't go see it. Paramount doesn't pay me shit.

But don't sit here and try to pretend that there is depth to these rehashed characters. They're just using the names for a quick buck and nonstop special effects to appease kids with the attention spans of gnats.

And dear god, don't get me started on the shitty writing. Transformers and Star Trek are completely interchangeable now.

A super nova that's going to destroy the galaxy?



Wow. There are kids in grade school that know better than that.

While this is true, the Final Frontier was a terrible film just the same. JJ Trek gave us some character development, but certainly nothing compared to the original TV show. Just the same, it did give us a lot more from the non big three than we had gotten from any of the previous movies. Trek in a two hour big screen format requires more splash than the show, and for this reason it suffers as a morality play or character sketch. JJ gave us a reasonable balance.

Star Wars was never about the things we like in Trek, so the extent to which JJ short changes some of that will be all to the good.