If the election were held today...

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If the election were held today, who would you vote for?

Poll closed Nov 15, 2015.
  1. Bush

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  2. Carson

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  3. Christie

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  4. Clinton

    8 vote(s)
    26.7%
  5. Cruz

    1 vote(s)
    3.3%
  6. Fiorina

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  7. Gilmore

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  8. Graham

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  9. Huckabee

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  10. Jindal

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  11. Kasich

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  12. O'Malley

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  13. Pataki

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  14. Paul

    1 vote(s)
    3.3%
  15. Rubio

    2 vote(s)
    6.7%
  16. Sanders

    9 vote(s)
    30.0%
  17. Santorum

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  18. Trump

    2 vote(s)
    6.7%
  19. Other: please explain

    1 vote(s)
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  20. teh Baba is better than any of these losers

    6 vote(s)
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  1. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Don't forget the biggest lie.
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    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    Not a single person lost their healthcare due to the ACA, you retarded mongoloid. 50% of all plans routinely get discontinued by insurance companies each year and that rate is down remarkably since the ACA went into effect.

    You can't fix stupid and your average wingnuts truly is stupid.
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    Are you crazy? Millions lost their insurance and rates are skyrocketing. The ACA's largest health care co-op is being shut down after incurring about $120 million in losses.
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    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    You live in a fantasy world of lies. The rate of increases was the lowest in half a century and the discontinuation of policies (something entirely up to insurance companies which has zero to do with the ACA) was also at a decades long low.

    Your talk radio masters simply lied to you and you were gullible enough to believe it.
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    From Forbes - Why are the Obamacare 2016 rate increases so large?

    • CareFirst Blue Cross of Maryland is asking for a 34% rate increase on its PPO plan and a 26.7% rate increase for its HMO. CareFirst has an 80% market share in the Obamacare exchange and only 30% of the eligible Maryland market has signed up on the exchange.

    • In Oregon, where less than 35% of the eligible have signed up on the exchange, the biggest insurer with 52% of the market, Moda, has asked for a 25.6% increase. Lifewise, with a 19% market share, has asked for a 38.5% increase.

    • Blue Cross Blue Shield of Tennessee, with a 165,000 members making up 70% of the Obamacare exchange is asking for a 36.3% increase. The second biggest player,Humana HUM +0.23%, is asking for a 15.8% increase. Less than 40% of the eligible exchange market signed up in Tennessee.

    • Georgia is the second biggest Obamacare market for Humana, having enrolled 254,000 people out of a total market of 479,000, and Georgia “maybe its biggest misstep”. Its CEO has said about Georgia, “We can’t have one business being subsidized by another business.” Humana is asking for 2016 individual plan rate increases from 14.8% to 19.44%.

    • In Iowa, with the lowest enrollment rates in the country, and where its biggest Obamacare insurer went broke last December, Wellmark Blue Cross, which only sells off the exchange, is asking for a 43% increase on its Obamacare compliant policies. Coventry, which has 47,000 Obamacare customers, is asking for an 18% increase for its on-exchange business.

    • The Kansas insurance department has not made its rate increases public yet but has said that plans will increase by as much as 38%. Less than 40% of the eligible have so far enrolled.

    • Pennsylvania is not encouraging with market leader Highmark asking for increases ranging from 13.5% to 39.65% and the Geisinger HMO asking for increases from 40.6% to 58.4%. Pennsylvania enrolled 50% of the potential exchange market in 2015.

    And from CNBC (the same network that trashed all the candidates in the last debate):

    Obamacare's many double-digit price hikes for next year

    Insurers have asked for double-digit rate increases for nearly 1 out of every 3 Obamacare plans that will be sold on HealthCare.gov for 2016 coverage, according to a new analysis.

    And in three states—Delaware, South Dakota and West Virginia—every plan sold on HealthCare.gov is asking for 10 percent or more hikes in the prices of their premiums for next year, AgileHealthInsurance.comsaid in its report.

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    Source: AgileHealthInsurance.com analysis

    Existing Obamacare customers in six other states on that federally run marketplace, which serves two-thirds of the United States, could also be in for a rude awakening come November when open enrollment resumes.

    In those other six states, a majority of plans are requesting double-digit hikes, ranging from Montana, where 86 percent of the plans have asked for such increases, down to North Dakota, where 67 percent of the plans are doing so.

    "The natural reaction [for those customers] is: They're going to be surprised," said Sam Gibbs, executive director of AgileHealthInsurance.com.

    "In some of these states, there's going to be a strong reaction to it," said Gibbs.

    AgileHealthInsurance's analysis found that 7 percent of the Obamacare plans sold on HealthCare.gov are asking for rate hikes of at least 30 percent, while 14 percent of such plans are asking for increases of at least 20 percent.

    Sorry if you fell for the con.

    But if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor!!! :brood:
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    ^ That's from a year ago covering the <i>previous</i> year. The big jumps weren't expected to hit by then. Since then exchange providers have been collapsing all over the place, including a couple of the largest in my state.
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    We had similar numbers in 2015. The numbers before the ACA were averaging 18% a year, my reality challenged friend. Now they are much, much lower on average especially in with the medicaid expansion because providers no longer get stiffed by people who cannot pay.
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  9. gturner

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    Sorry, but the average was 7.851 percent per year increases based on the health care costs for the average family of four rising from $9,235 in 2002 to $24,671 in 2015. If they'd been rising at 18 percent per year the cost would've risen to $79,415. Or if you projected backwards with the 18 percent per year, the $24,671 policy would've cost $75 in 1980.
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    Hmm, except reputable published sources (including one you yourself linked to above) or take your word on that. Yeah, I know which one I am going with.
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    I'm going with math. Numbers are great.