Interstellar

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    They needed to have them take place on different planets to illustrate the time dilation effects more clearly than they could have done with just the single planet.
     
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    I really need to see the movie again. First reason is because it's awesome and second reason is because my memory. Ok, Dr Mann purposely caused the explosion. So, he probably lured Cooper away just to make everything apear normal. I don't know how to answer your question right now. Either way, the scene was there to creat tension and put Cooper in such a dire situation to show the audience that Cooper was willing to fight for humanity. The scene reminded me of the scene in TDKR where Bruce is struggling to escape Baine's prison and he's almost down for the count, but finds strength within him and makes it out. Then the bats surround him like in BB and we get the musical cue. It's the same kind of scene. Does make sense for the ice walk? I don't know, but I feel it had a purpose.
     
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    As I remember it, it was Cooper's idea to go for the walk. In fact he had to badger Mann into going. They knew Mann was nutty and they were planning on leaving him behind. This was why they went for the walk. Also they wanted Romily to reactivate the robot. Remember Cooper is communicating in secret to the others during the walk.

    Mann never lured Cooper away.

    If Mann had his way he would have stolen the shuttle and left the team there on the planet.
     
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    What I don't understand is why the Endurance couldn't see the planets were no good in the first place.

    Millers planet should have been a water world easy to see. They shouldn't have even tried to land.

    Mann's planet was a frozen snowball. They shouldn't have even tried to land.

    They should have been able to upload the data.

    As much as they might want to rescue the astronauts on those planets the mission should have been to go to the planet that would work for humanity as the priority. Sure it might be cruel to leave Miller and Mann marooned but the survival of the species was far more important.
     
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    If they would have done that, how many people would have bitched that they didn't attempt to rescue Miller and Man?
     
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    A lot. Of course this would have made for a way shorter movie but in our reality we would have just bypassed those planets.

    Another thing was why wasn't humanity heading out to Edmunds planet to be with Brand? If it was because the wormhole closed how was Cooper going to get there when he stole the spacecraft? If the spacecraft was capable of using the gravity equation that Dr.Brand/Murphy had worked on to get there why couldn't humanity fly to that planet and either set up shop with Brand or rescue her (along with the others if possible on the other nine planets)?
     
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    I see those questions as the same as the spinning top at the end of inception, you'll just have to chalk it up to Nolan's style. He likes to keep us guessing. I would say that maybe Cooper's ship had better capabilities, but how would he even know where Brand's planet is? It's in another galaxy, so the only explanation is that he either never found her and lived the rest of his life flying around space or the wormhole opened back up. Since I want a happy ending, I'm guessing the wormhole opened back up. I doubt humans could live on that space station forever.
     
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    Did they even say for sure they were flying to another galaxy? That part seemed hazy to me.
     
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    I'm pretty sure they did. I just googled it and they did. I don't remember when it was mentioned, but I think it's when they are first entering the wormhole.
     
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    It seemed to me that Coop had had either bought into Mann's story and was trying to get a good look at the planet, or wanted to get Mann away from the others so he could try to explain to Mann that he was scaring the "norms" on the mission. Coop's actions, however, certainly fouled up Mann's planned timetable for what was supposed to happen. (I think that Mann might have planned to be outside when everyone else tried to fire up the robot.)
    That was one of the issues which they talked about. They had limited options of which planets they could check on once they arrived, and it was assumed that if members of the first team arrived on a shitty planet, they would admit this. Mann, however, wasn't willing to "go gently into that good night" and lied about the planet in order to be rescued.
    IIRC, the plan was for the various stations to all go through the wormhole at the same time, and they were waiting for the rest to arrive before they left. (This makes sense if you believe that the stations were each at a different Lagrange Point.)
     
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    Caine mentioned it before Coop left Earth.
     
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    Why send the extremely large crewed ships down to a planet's surface to check it out instead of a bunch of tiny, lightweight probes?
     
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    "Large crewed"? The plan was to send the advance teams to the planets (this was Mann's group that also included the dude that Anne Whatshername wanted to chew on) and have them check out the planets. They would send a "Go/No Go" message, which would be picked up when Coop's group arrived. Coop & Co. would then land, and perpetuate the species via the artificial wombs and frozen embryos that they carried. Remember, when Caine sent folks out, there was no "Plan B." The so-called "Plan B" was really "Plan A," as Caine believed that the official "Plan A" wouldn't work without data from inside the black hole, and Caine didn't see anyway of that happening. Coop surviving the trip into the black hole and linking up with the bulk-beings (who are probably future humans) changed all that.

    As to why they felt the need to send humans instead of robots (since the robots were equally as capable as humans) is another matter. Perhaps they figured that it would add to the genetic diversity. Or perhaps they didn't think it through.
     
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    I'm guessing that unless they made the probes as entertaining as Wall-E, there wouldn't have been much activity at the box office. :D
     
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    I think it's the humane thing to do to send humans to potentially rescue the astronauts. How would you like to be created by a robot after being stranded on a planet for God knows how long? Also, they may have to Cary a body back, so how could the robot do that?
     
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    You mean like when the robot carried Anne Whatshername back to the ship on the water planet?
     
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    I forgot about that. Still, it seems better for humans to investigate rather robots. You know, the whole human exploration thing. It doesn't make sense in universe, but film wise it's better.
     
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    Okay, I was thinking about this film and I'm confused about the ending.

    There is the artificially constructed wormhole near Saturn that leads to another galaxy.

    And on the other side, in that new galaxy... is a black hole, with a couple planets orbiting it.

    Right? The black hole and the wormhole are two seperate things? Or are they connected somehow?

    So at the end of the movie, does Cooper go back back through the wormhole or does he go into the black hole?

    If he went into the black hole:

    1) How did he survive the trip inside without being torn apart or crushed into a cube? Or incinerated by the accretion disc?
    2) If he went into the black hole, how was he able to interact with Amelia while she was traveling thru the wormhole?
    3) So the advanced humans' Tesseract was inside the black hole... or was it inside the wormhole? So they constructed a wormhole as well as a Tesseract? Or are they the same thing?
    4) How did Cooper escape the black hole and end up near Saturn again? Or did he go back thru the wormhole? How does one escape a black hole and does travel thru a black hole function just like the wormhole, even terminating in the same area of space (near Saturn)?
    5) Did he start out inside the black hole and then end up in the wormhole? What closed, the Tesseract or the wormhole, or both?

    :unsure:

    Couldn't the entire movie have been much simpler if there was just the wormhole and no additional black hole? I don't really understand why it was necessary. If they needed to slow down time on the water planet, they could have just stated that it was very near the wormhole and that was causing the time dilation.

    How are any of these planets habitable if they are orbiting a black hole rather than a regular star? Don't you need heat and light from a star, neither of which would be emitted from a black hole?

    Or was there a regular star around that they didn't bother to mention?
     
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    My understanding was that he went back into the wormhole to get back to Amelia.

    The advanced humans built the wormhole. And the tesseract.

    Cooper and Tars escaped back to Saturn because the advanced humans let him go back.

    the other stuff I don't' know....
     
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    No, the wormhole and the black hole are two separate entities.

    Cooper goes into the black hole, but is transported to the tesseract.

    The light came from the black hole. According to Kip Thorne, and other scientists, a planet could orbit a black hole for thousands of years or more before it starts to be affected by the black hole. Also, the distance from the planet and the worm hole could be quite far.
     
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    Yup.
    Nope.

    He only goes into the black hole once, while in there he becomes the "ghost" that "haunts" his daughter's room. To catch up to Anne Hathaway at the end of the film, he goes through the worm hole again.

    It was a spinning black hole, which apparently makes the crazy physics of black holes even crazier.
    Because he was moving in the fifth dimension, which means that he could move around in time and space as easily as you or I can walk around our house.
    The advanced humans made the worm hole, but probably not the black hole.
    Magic! Or more probably, the advanced humans "pushed" him in that direction when he'd accomplished what they wanted him to in his daughter's bedroom.
    Nope.
    Magic, again. Actually, though, there's some really complicated physics involved, but essentially, because the black hole is spinning, you can use it as a means to travel, similar to that of the worm hole (save that you don't have to worry about hitting the worm hole "just right" in order to make a trip through it). Most likely what happened is that the advanced humans noticed that the black hole was the right kind to allow travel through it and allowed you to reach a place near the orbit of Saturn, so they put the worm hole also by Saturn.

    This was a physics lesson disguised as a movie. They could have just done the film without the black hole, but then it wouldn't be the physics lesson.

    Again, you can thank the spinning black hole for all of that. This allows the planets to orbit it, along with a gas cloud that provides the light and heat that a star normally would. IIRC, the planets would be tidally locked, so there'd be no night on one side of the planet, and no day on the other. Life could only exist in the "twilight band" where day transitioned into night. They didn't so that for the film because I guess things were too complicated at this point to attempt to add more to it.
     
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    So what you are saying is that the wormhole and the black hole connect the same areas of space.

    But the wormhole is a two way street, while the black hole is a one way street...

    If any humans from our solar system want to travel to the new galaxy they have to use the wormhole, but any humans wanting to go back to our solar system can take either the wormhole or the black hole?
     
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    I don't remember if it was possible to travel back through the worm hole or not. It might also have been a one way trip, like the black hole, only much safer to use.
     
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    This was a fantastic prequel to Beastie Boys' "Intergalactic", but not great as it's own movie.
     
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    Hmmm. Can we get a special edition?
     
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    I have never even heard of this film and have no interest in seeing it.
     
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    Kill yourself. :bergman:
     
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    Personally I really enjoyed it. Yeah, the ending was a bit silly. But I felt like I was watching what I wanted to see in a Star Trek movie. There were moral dilemmas, exploration, a sense of wonder and a reasonable amount of action rather than over the top 'spolsions.

    Give me this other the likes of Into Darkness, or even Guardians of the Galaxy, any day. But I guess that's why I've never considered myself a genre fan per se.
     
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    Yeah, I only heard of it last night, because somebody posted on Facebook that she was going to see it. But it came out five months ago? Now I'm a bit curious.