Irish Wake for BMW, Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, ect

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  1. Tuckerfan

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    So, again, we don't use it. Your "yes" comment is meaningless.

    And battery technology, unlike every other technology, will stay frozen at current levels of development despite folks like Musk throwing billions of dollars of R&D money at the problem.

    Of course, we already have CO2 scrubbers for things which emit CO2, but given that you don't believe in global warming, you should be championing just dumping methane straight into the atmosphere, as well as requiring all vehicles to be powered by it. You know, as a way to prove your point.
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    I don't think this means cars currently running on gas will be banned (not yet, anyway), just that all new cars after 2030 will lack the combustible engine.
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    That's the way I read it. The law's been raised (it's not yet enacted) in order to convince the automakers to get serious about switching to alternative energy. While all of them are researching the technology, they're not putting the same kind of money behind it that they are in things like the choice of fabrics for the interiors of the cars. This happens, and they have to come up with something, not merely poke at the technology on the off-chance they might find something that works.
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    And the result will be that German automakers will release a bunch of 2030 models that won't sell and they'll suffer billions in losses, while Germans will refuse to give up their older Porsches, BMWs, and Mercedes for crap that doesn't have the price/performance of the older vehicles.

    Will the new cars have super advanced battery performance? No, they won't, because at just 0.6% market share, world lithium production is pretty much maxed out. Making a battery with a high energy density takes light elements, like lithium, or rather rare elements like nickel, cobalt, silver, and manganese. That will cause battery prices to spike, due to supply and demand of raw materials.
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    At just 0.6% market share for electrics, the replacement cost for a Tesla battery is $25,000 to $35,000. Then, to charge their new 100 kWh battery while you're asleep, you'll need to upgrade your house to 200 amp service, at a cost of about $2,500 more dollars. At 85% charging efficiency and 17 cents/kWh, a fill up will cost $20.00 and take eight hours at 120 amps, leaving 80 amps to run your house.

    And of course the electricity will likely come from a coal plant that's spewing out CO2.
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    But that won't matter, since the Western world was depopulated in the 2014 ebola crisis anyway, remember, Nostradamus?
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  6. gturner

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    And are you driving an electric car? If not, why not?
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    Because I don't drive. Most of the vehicles on which I ride are electric. Many more would be and will be if and when we stop subsidising combustion by socialising the costs of greenhouse emissions.
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    Your Walmart scooter may be an electric vehicle, but we don't count those.

    We don't subsidize combustion or countries couldn't make money taxing oil companies, car companies, and drivers. Note that the net flow is to the government, not from the government. Second, if we socialized greenhouse gas emissions we'd be paying energy companies to produce it because it makes the crops grow better and staves off the next glaciation period that will wipe out Canada and most of Europe, a devastation which would cost quadrillions of dollars.
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    I don't have a problem with this.

    The biggest issue with electric cars is the battery. However batteries are improving and by 2030 we may see a huge difference in batteries.

    As an example you have work on Li-Air (lithium-air battery) batteries instead of the traditional Li-Ion batteries.

    If Li-Air makes it to the market you could have a battery that could power a car up to 500 miles on one charge. I can get about 350 miles right now on 16 gallons of gas. I'll take the battery. Li-Air could also power a cell phone for up to a week. The military is very interested in Li-Air batteries.

    You've got work on the aluminum battery. Another promising avenue.

    You've even got a hybrid aluminum/Li-Ion battery.

    The future is looking up for electric powered vehicles and other items. Be nice to have a computer/cell phone that you don't need to charge everyday.

    The 2nd biggest obstacle facing electric cars is getting the morons out there to accept nuclear power. Only nuclear power will generate enough power to recharge the millions of cars and devices to work. (unless we have a major break through in solar panels)
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    I'd be happy enough if, in planning for city development, that TPTB design public transportation well enough to eliminate the number of cars on the road, period. Batteries are a great start to clean up our air, but we should consider the fact that lithium too is a finite resource and we'll be mining the fuck outta India or Afghanistan to fuel these.

    Curse, that'll be a moot point of CO2 emissions turns the world into an Auschtiz gas chamber in the next fifty years. :diacanu:
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    Don't worry about breathing CO2. Indoor office air is normally about 800 ppm, and you can take 5,000 ppm for an eight-hour shift.