Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

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    More detail on this is emerging. Biden referred to "indiscriminate bombing".

    Maybe he's an anti-Semite after all! Or is this the fault of Hamas somehow?
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    What's frustrating in this case is watching nations talk about the truly horrible Hamas attack, and I agree it was awful, but then they downplay the fact that Israel has murdered 20,000+ civilian Palestinians, and 10,000+ Palestinian children.

    Instead of "what the fuck are you doing, Israel?!" It becomes "please, Israel, be more careful," and it's just like how the UN has to speak around the United States, who will obliterate 230,000 innocent lives in an oil war, because you can't make the US angry or they'll veto your plea to allow millions of hungry people to get food, because they have unchecked power. Israel is, of course, a US vassal state, and is untouchable.

    I mean, seriously, the US has the veto power of 193 nations.

    The US is a world bully, and watching 192 nations tiptoe around them while trying to uphold human rights, or else, is so much bullshit.
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    Hamas could make a ceasefire happen if they instantly returned all of the hostages, laid down their arms and surrendered en masse. They've got the true veto power here to stop any more bloodshed
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    And they were the ones who broke the ceasefire. Let us be plain here. The Arab world at large only cares about the Palestinians as a group to be exploited. Crying about them now when there’s been ample opportunity to make the Palestinian people safe, secure and healthy is hollow to me. Hamas merely gave Netanyahu the excuse he needed when Israel was about to be recognized by the Saudis.
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    The breaking of the ceasefire holds little value when you realize that for decades, both sides have broken them repeatedly. It becomes just a pretext for even greater violence. For example, this 2014 infographic showing ceasefire violations.

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    Source: https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/gaza-ceasefire-violations
    Data source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...l0HM-3arN1pI_xn6PscNhG52c/edit#gid=1450129886

    More examples:
    https://imeu.org/article/self-defense-or-provocation-israels-history-of-breaking-ceasefires

    The rule of law only works for the oppressor, never for the oppressed, who find themselves guilty no matter what they have or haven't done.
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    This is the correct answer. You can either continue to re-litigate and seek vengeance for the past, or you can choose peace now.
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    "The breaking of the ceasefire holds little value" HAMAS MURDERED 1200 PEOPLE, YOU STUPID FUCK, AFTER SPENDING YEARS CONVINCING EVERYONE THEY WERE OPEN TO PEACE

    Nothing justified the October 7th attack.

    Nothing justified the 9/11 attacks either, for the record.

    You're a sick piece of shit. My friend John Allen would despise what you've become.
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    So Hamas shouldn’t do what was honestly a good idea, Amaris, when the entire world has been watching? If Israel had been the ones to break the ceasefire this time, they’d look all the worse. But Hamas, not the Palestinians themselves, broke the ceasefire. Do you understand the difference here?
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    Israel is murdering Palestinians, including Palestinian children, and they have openly stated they see Palestinians and Hamas as the same. They have openly called for the eradication of Palestinians. Once again, the rule of law favors the oppressor, not the oppressed. There is nothing that Hamas could do, at this point, that would stop Israel from murdering more innocent Palestinians.

    See here:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...asefire-for-hostages-deal-in-gaza-sources-say

    So the question is do YOU understand the difference here? Do YOU get why people like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, James Baldwin, Stokely Carmichael, and countless others spoke about so-called "western" values and moderate white people who sought out the rule of law?

    Do YOU understand that you're complicit in the murders of thousands of children not because you want justice, but because you want order, and like the white governors of the racist Southern towns that claimed their negroes were happy before agitators came down there and riled them up, you will always find a reason why it will be the fault of the people being murdered, rather than the people who have not stopped bombing Palestinians since the start of this latest conflict?

    I understand the difference, and that's why I condemn Israel for genocide. You, though, you're like the others. You will always find a reason why it's the fault of the Palestinians, the fault of the group being oppressed.

    I guess those Christians should have just complied with the Romans and stepped in the lions mouths.

    For generations, people asked how fascists like Hitler could rise to power and kill so many. Well, look in the mirror, sweetie, because that's how.
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    The goyum really piss you off when they tell the truth about zionist Isreal and their genocide.
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    You didn’t understand a single word I said. And that you say what you just did tells me that you have been so damaged by this world, you make these horrible leaps because someone has reason to disagree with you. Amaris… you’ve gone too far…
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    Fuck you for not going far enough when it comes to 10,000 dead children.
    Make your excuses for their broken bodies.
    Hide behind that rule of law, and that code of civility which means nothing when babies are blown to pieces by Israeli dropped bombs funded by US weapons manufacturers.

    There's a reason why MLK never trusted people like you. He knew that at the first sign of disdain for the rule of law, you'd side with the oppressor, and even now, 60 years later, he's right.
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    This is the sort of excuse that leads to nukes. The people need to use those buildings, and destroying them leads to the death of innocents. This excuse is exactly one used by genocidal religious idiots who have dehumanized everyone who isn't jewish so they have no care for anyone else.

    You are as bad as any Nazi in your beliefs. You are just too cowardly to do it yourself and want others to fight and die because that is what goyum are good for to you. The rest of us die while you watch the carnage on the internet from the safety of your home and laugh as all the non-jews are slaughtered.

    It is not the way of most jews, but it is the way of every religious superior asshat on the planet.
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    This. I remember evangelical Christians cheering on the deaths of Muslims during the 2003 Iraq war. They love this shit, it's entertainment to them.

    Zionists love the same thing:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

    Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza

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    James Baldwin, famous author and civil rights advocate, spoke on Israel and Palestine in 1979. This is what he had to say.

    Source: https://www.thenation.com/article/society/open-letter-born-again/
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    Report: Nearly 25,000 children in Gaza now orphans

    Sources: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231211-report-nearly-25000-children-in-gaza-now-orphans/
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    Just a few mainstream news videos on the horror taking place in Gaza and the West Bank under the auspices of the Israeli military.
    This keeps getting called a war, but it's not a war. It's a genocide, and the Israeli military is committing it. The US is helping fund it. If this were a Biblical story like David and Goliath, then you should know Goliath is Israel.

    I didn't post the worst videos, I don't want @14thDoctor to laugh so hard he hurts himself.
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    And the spamming of YouTube videos is making a real difference! :dayton:
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