It's been a while since we had a young Earth creationist thread on WF

There used to be quite a few of them back in the day, people arguing that creationism was totally legit science.

If we're still here in another 10-15 years, what do you bet climate change denial threads are just as rare.

Didn't they rebrand it as intelligent design, that being a more effective trojan horse for the education system?

I'm not saying it was aliens, but...

Ghostecho is one, but when you point it out, he acts like you spit in his luchbox, threw his mittens in the sewer, and called his mom a whore.

Yep. Hi!

You must have gotten into Tererun’s stash of pharmaceuticals again. That stuff is bad for you!

Hi yourself, fella!
I'm a piece of chalk.!
I was formed by the calcium deposits of millions of exoskeletons of sea animals.
50 million years ago is the low-ball figure for this process to occur.

Your Sunday school teacher no doubt wrote his/her delusions with me on a blackboard.
Can we say "irony", boys and girls?

I have never taken enough drugs to believe that the earth was created 6000 years ago and jesus rode a dinosaur to work and was a zombie made of crackers and wine that you served on his birthday at christmas to really gullible people at church so they could go to heaven after a life of hate and sins. I would ask to take whatever gave you such interesting fantasies, but frankly it makes me scared. Even I value my liver and brains enough not to drink the evangelical kool aid.

Yeah, I used to believe that stuff too. I was as hard-headed of an “evolution / old universe non-Christian“ as anyone, and would have remained that way apart from the grace of God.
Theres‘ hope for you too yet, God willing. Jesus came to save sinners and unbelievers. THAT is truly good news.
Merry Christmas!

How did you reconcile chalk when you went bananas?
Loud humming until you could get to the self flagellation belt?

So you used to believe that crazy? I will let you know when I lower myself to that level of stupid. It would still seem you re far more delusional and stupid than I am if you are still believing in jesus. I am still quite nervous of taking any substance that would make such a story seem like it could have ever happened. My neice is smart enough to know jesus is a lie and she still believes in santa and talks to pepa the pig on TV. Just like most followers of the zombie lord, you are dumber than a 3 year old.

That gave me a chuckle. Comedy is truly your strong point. You have a way of turning a funny phrase for sure.
So... what’s new? You expecting any good stuff for Christmas? My in-laws are all from Maine and I expect I’ll be getting lots of LL Bean stuff again this year. Truth to tell I could use a few flannel shirts. I’m deficient in the cold weather clothing department recently (that’s what happens when you live in Phoenix). Probably getting a lot of baby stuff since J. is about to enter the 3-6 Month size. Hard to believe how fast these kids grow up.

Here's the REAL good news.

1. According to an episode of House, an SSRI will antidote a bad acid trip.
2. Larry Flint went on a Jesus kick, and he said when the doctors put him on lithium, the angel voices went right away.

So, should you ever find yourself in such a state of cerebral distress that the existence Jesus sounds rational to you, there's options.

First time I've seen a self described Conservative Republican actually use "turn the other cheek".
Impressive, but I think they'll kick you out of the club for that.

Not sure that “gets medical advice from television dramas” is a classical sign of rational thinking but I liked House so I really won’t judge.
Never did see the season finale though. Lots of life stuff got heavy around that time and I never really circled back to finishing that show up.
Don’t really do much TV watching much in general anymore to be honest , although I dig The Mandalorian and This is Us (too many friends talked about it so I had to check it out once I got the Hulu/Disney+ bundle).

There's actually some fairly decent evidence that Jesus was a real person. Beyond that I make no claims.

Was there a person named jesus christ? Probably. Did he turn water into wine, walk on water, cure the sick with touch, come from a virginal birth, was the son of god, get crucified, rise from the dead, and in any way conform to the fictional jesus christ of the bible? No fucking way. Just because a guy might have existed with that name at some point does not mean the fictional jesus of the bible ever existed. There might have actually been a guy named harry potter at some point, but the people running into brick walls at train stations trying to get to magical harry potterland are still fucking morons.

Oh, absolutely. To think that there was not a preacher of that name at that time to whom the various texts refer to when they tell their miracle stories requires as much superstition as does any belief in those miracle stories, though the latter belief is more dangerous. .

While I agree with your larger point, if you don’t believe in the the biblical Jesus then you don’t believe that there was a person named Jesus Christ.

Christ wasn’t the dude’s last name. It was a title given him decades after his death. The Greek Khristós means Messiah.

So while there likely was a historical Jesus of Nazareth unless you are a Christian you don’t believe in a historical Jesus Christ.

Given that Koine Greek was a language most of the involved persons spoke, he would likely have been called Christ by his contemporaries while alive. At that point, this turns into a very subtle question. I usually say that I believe that the Pope, the Dalai Lama, and the Queen of England do currently exist, even though I do not believe in the assumptions that give any of those persons those titles.

Technically, it means "the annointed one."

I could be misremembering but isn’t it only the later written gospels that really lean into calling him Christ, with the earlier ones using other names?

Yes, but Christos was a common appellation for religious leaders at his time. Just because the later gospels, which were more clearly directed at an international audience, made more use of the international term, is no reason to think that it wasn't used by his contemporaries as well. It would have been surprising if it weren't. Of course, if you take Christos to be a translation of Messiah, which it pretty much was for that subculture, you would also count the use of Messiah for Jesus as equivalent.

I seem to remember reading something, at some point, about how Jesus was a real, historical person but Moses was entirely made up, maybe a composite of several people from different times. Anyone know about this?

And this is someone rejecting the value of outside opinions on politics?

My word.

Here's a clue @GhostEcho, the world is really rather old.

Billions of years in fact.

It's also not flat, just in case

But if it was used by contemporaries why not in the earlier gospels?

He also plays for Manchester City.

Busy guy.

Perhaps the nuance here being which contemporaries and when they variously adopted it's usage?

The answer needn't be monolithic.