Justice Kennedy Retiring

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  1. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    It has long amused me that SCOTUS appointments always bring "OMG IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!" cries from the party out of power.

    The problem this time is it's likely the case, given the orange moron's proclivities.
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  2. Tuttle

    Tuttle Listen kid, we're all in it together.

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    Trump has practically as many opponents in the GOP as he does among the Dems, just they're now in the closet.

    It's been politically expedient for the GOP neverTrumpers to strongly support, support, or at least not engage him w/hostile intent (e.g. hi Mitt).

    If Trump's pick is too far off book, expect to see the GOP factions that have already confounded some of Trump's agenda make for more contentious confirmation hearings if not an outright Borking.
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  3. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    Honestly, it’s not that big a deal. Everybody knew Kennedy was going to retire. Democrats need to stop expecting the Supreme Court to be their savior and focus on taking back state legislatures and building a strong progressive coalition.
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  4. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    I think Trump's pick will be someone liberals won't like at all, but that conservatives can get behind.
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    Pathetic how the main concern for libtards is preserving the legality of baby murder on-demand. Trannie rights isn't even a blip on the radar compared to the holy grail of libtardism - baby murder. :(

    Here's hoping that abortion is soon outlawed and every abortionist butcher with a medical license sees the inside of a prison cell. :yes:
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  6. cpurick

    cpurick Why don't they just call it "Leftforge"?

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    Many people are getting less care because they cannot afford to actually use their coverage. The record-high premiums they pay go to provide care to other people. I'm sure for some people it is a very good thing, but for many very good people it is not.

    It's a bunch of socialist bullshit, because we are "insuring" the uninsurable. And people who are perfectly insurable cannot afford their own care because their premiums must pay to take care of the sick.

    There is nothing wrong with the fundamental idea that sickly people be excluded from health insurance. It simply acknowledges the underlying reality that their care is not an insurance problem. What they need is welfare, not insurance. People with pre-existing conditions need Medicaid.
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    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    All the more reason we should switch to a Medicare-for-all system. Government provided health insurance as a minimum, with the option to buy above and beyond that level of coverage. :shrug:
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  8. tafkats

    tafkats scream not working because space make deaf Moderator

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    Socialism!!!!!!!!!! Communism!!!!!!! Benghaaaaazziiiiiiiiiii!!!!
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  9. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    Insurance is for something that might happen. It’s a certainty that everybody will need medical care at some point. The biggest problem with the ACA is that it further entrenched the insurance industry as healthcare middlemen, instead of eliminating the need for them altogether.
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  10. cpurick

    cpurick Why don't they just call it "Leftforge"?

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    Garbage. The last thing we need is "Medicare-for-all". In the end the middle class would only be able to afford the miserable government program, and only the rich would be able to afford quality care. Just how fucking stupid are you???

    Medicare-for-all is a fantasy. Everybody's already paying in and it's already underwater with only a fraction of the population getting benefits.

    The middle class is perfectly capable of affording top-quality care, and has been for decades, except that the left insists the poor get the same care as the middle class. There is no bigger war on the middle class in this country than the left's refusal to let them have more than the poor. It's how the middle class ended up with its kids in state education, and it's how everyone but the rich will end up getting Medicaid.

    Sure, they may tell you it's Medicare for all, but by the time they get done redefining it and rationing everything to get everybody in, it's gonna be Medicaid-level benefits. Along with a Democrat party and its media wing to tell us all how successful it is while they cook the books and cover up its failures.

    The thing about actual free-market insurance is that it reduces the number of sick people without coverage to a fairly manageable number that could be subsidized much more affordably than Obamacare. And you could do it from the general budget instead of charging it to people who haven't done anything except buy health insurance.
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  11. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Uhhh...isn't that what you're arguing is happening right now??

    Nope. :)

    Someone's right to life should not be dictated by one's ability to pay for medical care. It would be more beneficial if the middle class had extra money to spend on other sectors of the economy besides health care. Health care would still make money, but the middle class could spend their money on other goods that they previously would not have.

    If we didn't have a Congress hell-bent on neutering any meaningful healthcare legislation, it could be done. One party is totally ineffective (Democrats) and the other party is dedicated to a self-fulfilling prophecy that the government is incompetent in anything it does (Republicans).

    Guillotine them all and start over. :)
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  12. cpurick

    cpurick Why don't they just call it "Leftforge"?

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    Just because you get tired of hearing how stupid and destructive socialism is doesn't mean it stopped being stupid and destructive.
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  13. Rimjob Bob

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    And no matter how many times Rightforge wants to argue that universal healthcare and government funded universities amount to "socialism," it doesn't make it so.
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  14. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Ah, we'll add you to the Pee Wee Herman pile, then.
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    cpurick Why don't they just call it "Leftforge"?

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    While there are a lot of socialist ideas that don't meet the strictest classical definition of "socialism", universal healthcare and state universities actually do. But definitions document usage as much as they prescribe it, so even if you rely on little technicalities like universal healthcare systems that don't actually belong to the state, for example, that's still socialism. Socialism isn't about who owns the hospital beds or the classrooms. It's about the guns.
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  17. cpurick

    cpurick Why don't they just call it "Leftforge"?

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    No, what's happening now is still better than Medicaid for most people, even though it is the worst healthcare consumer value it has ever been for healthy workers.

    Medicare for all is the definition of the Fallacy of Composition. Medicare's principle of operation is everyone pays in and only a few get benefits. You don't just put everyone in. Besides, it's a program for old people -- you would have to redefine the benefits to add everyone. Like I said, it's a fantasy. By the time you got done, it would be Medicaid with better marketing.

    Not the way to look at it. There will never, ever be enough care for everyone. So I want to know how you propose to decide who gets care and who does not. And specifically, I never want to see a person who is paying for the system waiting in line behind someone who is not. And yes, I can defend that a lot better than you can defend bullshit like "someone's right to life should not be dictated by their ability to pay".



    Government is incompetent. Nobody should be surprised. All of the incentives say it should be. Only a moron would expect otherwise.
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    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    They aren't actually publicly opposing him or voting against what he wants? Then they aren't his opponents.
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  19. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Yup.

    And they're going to face angry constituents in November if they sink a conservative SCOTUS appointment.
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    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    One can hope. :bailey:
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  21. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Hope springs eternal.

    Expect a new Justice to be confirmed by November.
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    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Someone on FB--i want to say @Nova but it might've been someone else--posted an anonymous interview with a Congressman who admitted to being scared shitless of his psychotic voters, who were huge Trump stans, and being afraid of being shot for seeming in any way to be against Trump. I've no doubt his fears were not unfounded.

    That being said, silence is tantamount to complicity at this point and anyone waiting for a unicorn--whatever that unicorn is for the Republicans who haven't lost touch with reality--is going to fuck us all.
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    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    I liked Sokar's brand of disgusting platitudes better.

    He had the balls to be a complete asshole and actually lived in a red state with red state values, instead of continue to suck on the sweet pay he gets from working in a maker state. :brood:
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  24. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    The Christian persecution complex is quite amusing. :lol:
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    There is no chance the dems will stand on this. I would even expect Thomas to go by the end of trumps term. He will probably sit there until next year knowing dems won't have the balls to pull the same shit republicans did.
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  27. cpurick

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    You're a moron if you think it's not a real thing. I don't know any homophobes who'll go out of their way to bother a homosexual, but some gays will drive that Cabriolet a hundred miles just to fuck over a Christian bakery.
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  28. cpurick

    cpurick Why don't they just call it "Leftforge"?

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    LOL. Republicans are the ones who are bringing reality back. Fantasyland is over, sweetie -- by a margin of 5 to 4, I'd say.
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    When Roe is overturned by the judicial activist conservative bloc I propose a massive tax on any person attempting to cross state lines to obtain an abortion. States rights are paramount and must be respected. :borg:
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  30. Soma

    Soma OMG WTF LOL STFU ROTFL!!!

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    And Anna's a taker. :(
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