Latest experiment is socialism ending the same as always...

Could you pretend I am under-educated in the History and Economics front (after all, I'm no Dayton Kitchens, you see), and give us a few examples?

Yep. Conservatives/Fox News have done a bang up job of beating the ‘anything that helps working people and not megacorps/billionaires = socialism’ drum that among those under 35 support for ‘socialism’ is higher than at any point in history.

Good job! Well done!

Thailand and Turkey come first to mind but I’m sure there are other letters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d'état

13 since 1970 - Oman, Eq Guinea, Uganda, Chad, Tajikistan, Cambodia, Congo, Fiji, Mauritania, Egypt, Thailand, Yemen and Zimbabwe

So not that common

By your mother's standards, no.

Funny thing about the internet is that when us 80s babies who came of age after the 90s boom, who saw the 2000s become defined by 9/11 and got sold a bill of goods after graduating college to a recession market started talking to other non Americans, we all began to realize how we'd gotten short changed with all this Capitalism dogma.

And it absolutely is dogma if you're an idiot like Captain Clownass who screams "WE'RE NOT EUROPE DAMNIT when someone points out that another country's system is working better than ours. Gen Z Europeans see us as a 3rd world dystopia with good tech and they're not wrong.

An obvious (and repetitive) example would be Pakistan.

A global power (some would argue superpower), with a market economy, which has seen numerous military coups (successful and unsuccessful) in modern times with both left and right wing players involved.

From your own link:

How can you possibly call Pakistan a "superpower"?

I didn't, read it again.

You're right, I lazy read that - the 13 countries I listed are only referring to current leaders in power as a result of a coup

Interesting that the success rate is almost exactly 50/50

If only we could figure out what kinds of internal problems Pakistan has that are unrelated whatsover to economic philosophies.

Hmmmmm.

Go ahead and post some if you want.

But apparently reducing over time interestingly enough.

There's probably quite a lot to infer about the nature of military capabilities, popular support for uprisings, etc, etc, but I'm too tired right now to really set off on a learning curve. One hypothesis that does spring to mind though is that the cessation of the cold war has seen a reduction in the strategic support offered by the USA/USSR for groups destabilising hostile governments?

How much of that data is skewed by the time frame (1950-2010) and the overarching CW strategy of proxy wars?

Of course, although I'd question whether anything is truly "unrelated".

Much the same comments apply to the hundreds of other countries which have seen coups in modern history, there's always multiple vectors of causality, but the idea that socialism is somehow a common theme is......just wrong. After all the greatest concentration of military coups have been in Africa and have involved failing or corrupt economies of all stripes.

Thailand then.

Gentle suggestion, read the thread before posting, at least a skim. It does help a lot.

Pakistan had internal social and religious problems and thus doesn't count....

Strange line of logic really isn't it?

Tellingly there are hundreds of countries which have experienced military coups. The only true common denominator is that they were all suffering some degree of internal turmoil, which really should be self evident. After all why else would they have a coup?

Maybe we only look for other factors when it suits?

I'm glad you admit it.

Especially since there's been a how-to manual available for 50 years now.

They should quit using the word socialism.

Words have meaning. Though bigger welfare states are associated with socialism, they do not, in and of themselves, constitute socialism.

They tried that.. the right just kept calling everything socialism anyways. May as well embrace it.

Conflating those ideas with a discredited economic system works for me.

So you've wrongly said many times.

Dude, you live in a country that often scrapes the bottom of developed nation status... you're telling me that the "free market" isn't failed?

On the contrary, it continues to work incredibly well.

You’re like old Shep flipping out every time someone called a fundy a fundy. “They aren’t Fundamentalist they are Conservative Pentecostals!!!1!”

Yeah, okay buddy. I care.

Social Democracy/Welfare Capitalism/Socialism... in western political contexts they are all interchangeable.

Comments like this are as stupid as they come. The best of America is better than the best of anywhere else by a sickening margin and our worst is better than most other counties' middles. Stop it with the insane talk.

I know, right? at this rate, pretty soon you'll have established an hereditary nobility!