Let's round up all the immigration officials and kick them out of the country:

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Liet, Mar 24, 2008.

  1. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    :bang:

    I've cut a lot of the article, and the whole thing is worth a read, so anyone who wants to be even more pissed off, click right though.

    Anyway, in the history of dumb, this is a leading light brighter than a supernova. We're calling organizations "terrorist" because they fought to overthrow Saddam Hussein--which doesn't just break the irony meter but rather causes its spontaneous nuclear annihilation--and denying U.S. citizenship to former members who, by working closely and loyally with the U.S. Marines and earning themselves the label "collaborator," have done as much to put their lives on the line for the U.S. as have just about any U.S. troops.

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  2. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Typical "left hand not knowing what the right is doing" probably. :(
    But that Marine nailed it by saying "faceless beaurocracy." :(

    Sometimes I wonder why government beaurocracy even bothers to act like they give a shit about anyone, or even using common sense.

    I did 22+ years in the military, and have seen things like this countless times. Everyone knows the system(s) are FUBAR and that they will never, ever be fixed.

    All you can do is steer the unlucky soul toward someone with enough power/expertise to the circumvent the system. :(
  3. Marso

    Marso High speed, low drag.

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    Tell me this isn't a government run operation. :jayzus:

    Still, I can't cry about one less muzzie in the country. :shrug:
  4. Sokar

    Sokar Yippiekiyay, motherfucker. Deceased Member

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    Lawyers first.
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  5. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe.
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  6. Baba

    Baba Rep Giver

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    Why not set up a american foreign legion?
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  7. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Well, that's pretty fucked up, IMO. :jayzus:
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  8. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    People who have power generally want to use it. People with just a little power generally really want to use it. I don't think it's an issue of bureaucratism so much as an issue of people feeling better about themselves for their ability to exert power over others. The problem is a little bit bigger with bureaucracies, but that's mostly because it's pretty easy for a complete schlub to find himself with a little power in a bureaucracy.
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  9. Chris

    Chris Cosmic Horror

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    Because foreigners can already enlist for citizenship in the regular service.
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  10. evenflow

    evenflow Lofty Administrator

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    Barack has Marso's back on this.
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  11. Tamar Garish

    Tamar Garish Wanna Snuggle? Deceased Member

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    Could someone please enlighten me as to why some people want the same assholes behind shit like this to run our health care system??

    Why?? :bang:
  12. Jeff Cooper Disciple

    Jeff Cooper Disciple You've gotta be shittin' me.

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    Look, officials aren't allowed to actually make decisions anymore. Someone makes a decision and that someone might be held accountable. So instead, we have the 10,000,000 page federal, state, coutny, and local rulebook that takes the decision making process out of our hands.

    Don't worry, this guy is now in the media, who has a hard on for Bush anyways, and they'll bring enough pressure to get someone up the food chain to okay this guy and do the doublespeak for "we fucked up. He can stay."

    But yeah, someone want to remind me why it would be a good idea to let government run anything, especially healthcare?
  13. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Here's a real-life example of healthcare/beaurocracy inaction/in action:

    A soldier in a convoy got hit with an IED. His legs got tore up something terrible. A couple of years later, he starts having a lot of problems with his legs (duh).

    He gets out of the Army, and now the VA says his leg problems have nothing to do with getting injured in combat.....that he had leg problems before he ever joined the Army, and only now are giving him problems.

    So.....let's take an informal survey among our veterans on WF....
    anbody get hit with an IED prior to joining the military? Just askin'.
  14. Jeff Cooper Disciple

    Jeff Cooper Disciple You've gotta be shittin' me.

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    I tore up my knees while an infantryman and completely dislocated one while I cadet, which is why I didn't get commissioned. The Army, in their infinite wisdom, decided that my knee problems, which they caused, were pre-existing, and also when I fell and dislocated my knee, it was because I was being careless and not looking for gopher holes while patrolling.
  15. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    Stupid happens everywhere, and it's not particularly limited to government. The reason for supporting government regulation of health insurance--which is the currently prominent issue in the U.S. so I'll assume it's what you're talking about rather than government run health care--isn't that government is less stupid than the private sector, a claim that only a retarded monkey crack addict could make. Rather, the reason is simply that, in the case of health insurance, greed aligns particularly poorly with the public interest. More specifically, health insurance companies make money by creating massive overhead in order to make sure that they don't insure bad risks. Reasonable regulation can eliminate the need to spend billions of dollars determining who is a bad risk and shouldn't be insured, and billions more determining what level of premium is necessary to cover the risk of each individual customer.
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  16. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Eh, not really. I was the terp handler for my platoon so spent alot of time over at their tents. Alot of the guys wanted to join the Army (they were Triton Contractors) but weren't allowed to. Non were even allowed to immigrate to the U.S. Alot were really damn cool (some were shady though, not gonna lie). A couple of ours we even gave weapons to, we trusted them so much.

    Their is a reason Santana is on the 20ft plague that sits in the War Room at Battalion. You don't put just anyone along side American Soldiers.

    Man we had some cool terps. :lol: I miss those guys... :marathon:
  17. Order2Chaos

    Order2Chaos Ultimate... Immortal Administrator

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    :soma: Run! RUN! Before it kills you all!
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  18. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    What is a "terp" in your MOS? In the Aviation world "terp" is laying out/planning a new runway on an airfield.
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  19. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    I covered my firewood with a terp.



    No, wait, that was a tarp.

    Nevermind! :blush:
  20. Clyde

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    Weren't you one of the folks that opposed any sort of citizenship based on service to the military?
  21. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    Uh, no. I'd certainly like to see other forms of service to the U.S. given as much consideration as military service is given, but I can't imagine why any notable public service service in or on behalf of the U.S. wouldn't at least count in your favor as part of a citizenship application.
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  22. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    The old man is a fan of Carlos, eh?