Liberalism, 2003, just before the invasion of Iraq:

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  1. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    Thats the part that gets me everytime.

    'Bush lied.'

    Please.
  2. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    The same UN that were kicked out of Iraq by Saddam when they wanted to check his weapon sites?

    Or Scott Ritter? Because he is the biggest hypocrite alive.
  3. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Anyone with the ability to read instead of sucking at Faux News' teat was capable of finding out for themselves.

    You guys just didn't want to hear it.

    You thought this was going to be another video-game war like the first Gulf War. Coupla weeks of fireworks on CNN with no "real" people getting killed.

    Didn't quite work out that way, did it?
  4. Zombie

    Zombie dead and loving it

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    Actually the left didn't know jack shit before the war.

    You all were and still are just anti-war and didn't give a fuck about anything. So you tried everything in the book to stop the war. One of them was to say there was no WMD's in Iraq that Bush is so obviously lying.

    Why? Because he stole the election in 2000.

    That's exactly what you liberals were thinking. You had zero fucking proof that Iraq had no WMDs. You were all just throwing as much shit as you could to try and stop Bush because you hated the man with a passion.

    Now of course it's easy to sit back and say, "see we told you so." Of course you leave out the part where you didn't know he didn't have them and you leave out the part where you all were happy that we never did find them. You also leave out the part where almost all of you were damn happy things looked bad there for a while. I've noticed that since things have turned around all you libs have gone into hiding. No great pushes to end the war anymore? Why? Scared you'll have to admit that once again you were wrong and were actively hoping the US would lose?

    Oh and one last thing you left out: All the Democrats who saw the same intelligence Bush saw and believed Saddam had the WMD's and also voted for the war.

    Edit: Oh my bad I forgot Bush lied to the Democrats........ :dayton:
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    To be fair, McCain (along with Obama and Clinton) walk around with a phalanx of security here.
  6. Volpone

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    You know she feels a twinge of disappointment when she picks up the paper and no one--not even Iraqi women and children--were killed by al Qaeda on a given day. :garamet:
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  7. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    I'm afraid this is the part where I point out yet again that every major intelligence agency in the world thought Saddam had WMDs, based in no small part on the fact that he had used them during the Iran-Iraq war in the 80s and also that most of the officer corps of the Iraqi Army and Republican Guards also thought they would have access to WMDs once the actual shooting started. Because, y'know, their leadership had told them they would.

    You nitwits on the left had vague hopes and unconfirmed rumours. Anything to MAKE BUSH LOOK BAD.
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  8. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    I like how you can just reach back into my mind and tell me what I didn't know 5+ years ago. What other hidden talents do you have?
  9. Linda R.

    Linda R. Fresh Meat

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    Erm, no. We knew that the intelligence reports were faked, we just didn't know to what extent... which, I'll admit, was far worse than anything we thought them capable of.

    I've said it before, I'll say it over and over again: the whole trouble with Iraq - which is/was Shrub's whole Oedipal adventure - is that it meant us taking our eye off the ball where it really mattered: Afghanistan.
    And if we were going to invade anywhere in the ME, Saudi Arabia had done far more to warrant it than Iraq.
    Other than make GB senior look bad, of course. :garamet:
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  10. Caedus

    Caedus Fresh Meat Formerly Deceased Member

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    The same left that fell lock step behind Slick Willie when he told the nation back in '98 that Iraq had WMDs knew before the second Gulf War that he really didn't have them?

    :lol:
  11. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    And the 2nd part that damns you is when you bring in Fox News.
  12. Ryan

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    The money doesn't just fall into their hands. States have to enact legislation and programs to receive federal funding. So yes, they are perpetuating it.
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  13. Ryan

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    The President might not have lied but he also wasn't honest. The administration relied on evidence that was fake, it relied on evidence that was dubious, and it ignored evidence that contradicted their position.

    The popular excuse was that everyone believed Saddam was producing weapons of mass destruction but that just wasn't the case. A good deal of time was spent smearing officials who strongly disagreed like Joseph Wilson and Hans Blix.
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  14. Caedus

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    You're using Joe Wilson to strengthen the "Bush ignored the questionable WMD intelligence" argument? The same Joe Wilson whose little mission to Africa actually wound up producing more evidence supporting the claim that Saddam was looking to buy some uranium from Niger?

    :lol:
  15. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    Fake?

    Or just unconfirmed? Not verified?

    Because of the massive cuts made to the CIA during the past 50 years, it just so happened that they had no boots on the ground in Iraq in the stages leading up to the invasion.

    All of their evidence came from 3rd party sources, and none of it was verified properly before being presented as actual fact.

    And it wasn't fake either.....there were mobile weapon labs, just like Curveball said, problem being that they weren't actually being used to produce WMD.

    But if you call that 'fake'....thats your prerogative.

    Fake evidence would be 'lying'...and Bush didn't 'lie.'
  16. Ryan

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    Yeah, faked. Were you paying attention at all?
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