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Or the caricature that Jamie Foxx presented, if that's what Foxx was doing.

Caricature of whom, though? Name some names. Preferably with direct quotes where they say "I believe Obama is God."

If I knew every Obama supporter in the world, I could probably give you a list of names. That's not the point. The point is that, as demonstrated by the posters you named here, there exists the perception that the more hardcore/fringe Obama supporters have equated him with a messianic figure. How the myth got started, I won't pretend to know; how widely it may literally be true, I won't pretend to know.

It comes down to this: the myth exists. Jamie Foxx either satirized that myth or turned it into concrete fact, at least on his own account. Glenn Beck played off Jamie Foxx's stunt (or gaffe, whichever it was) brilliantly.

Just one will do.

You realize that the probability that I personally know one of the looney fringe of the Obama fanbase is extremely remote. Based on that, I can only assume that your demand that I produce the name of one is entirely facetious.

You made it sound as if they were legion. Yet you only assume they exist because Glenn Beck told you so.

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I assume they exist based on the prevalence of the '08 Obama campaign's own "Hope" hype. Exaggerate that (by a little or a lot, depending on how much you buy into it) and you have the man's own campaign building him into a messianic figure. Glenn Beck is no more responsible for creating that image than he is for getting the man elected.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/09/20/the-creepy-obama-cult/

Let's not pretend there was some very strange art and some attitudes bordering on worship for Obama.

If people were taking Beck that seriously, his ratings for his TV show wouldn't have dropped by half after the first season.

When you're using the earthquake in Japan as a "warning to America" about the rise of communism, even Fox is gonna have to drop you.

garamet, skin, you two need to coordinate your avatars, in such a way as it creates some sort of animation when we quickly scan through them, at least that would be entertaining.

How do you know we weren't just building a quote pyramid to try to lure UA back, Mr. Grumpy?

Okay, the wall-sized image borders on Big Brotherism, but the others are no more nor less "creepy" than those for any other candidate. At least the guy with the ink got it on the back of his neck, unlike Romney Face Tattoo Guy. Enthusiasm is only creepy if it's the other guy's candidate.

How is "Hope" any more messianic than "The Time Is Now" or "Peace and Prosperity" or "Believe in America"? Find me a Presidential campaign since Washington declined a second term that wasn't built around presenting the candidate as larger than life.

If you want to talk about messianic, let's talk about the Reagan worship that persists in defiance of fact, right here on WF. You can't find a concomitant level of adulation for Obama - not here, not IRL, unless you track down Cell Phone Woman, and since she hasn't gotten her cell phone yet, I think you'll find her less than worshipful these days.

Beck only had to create that image in your mind. He's a professional huckster, and you're the perfect pigeon.

I remember the image Paladin created/circulated of Sarah Palin with a ghostly Ronald Reagan standing by approvingly. That's about the same level of "worship" as any of these pieces of Obama artwork.

And there are any number of people who thought W. was literally heaven-sent (as I am sure there are those who think Obama is). If one believes in an all-powerful God who gets involved in the workings of the world, it pretty much follows that being caused W. and Obama to be in power or at a minimum, allowed that to happen by declining to exercise His omnipotence to prevent such things from occurring.

Their quote pyramids look kinda cool if you scroll up and down really fast.

Really?

I don't, any farther than is necessary to point out what Jamie Foxx was doing (either personifying or satirizing) and why it was clever of Glenn Beck to further amplify the underlying Obama-as-Messiah meme and Foxx's riff on it into dual satire of heresy-as-art and Obama-as-Messiah. I'm not the least bit inclined to follow you down whatever rabbit hole you're trying to lead me into beyond that.

Ordinarily, Beck's stunts fall anywhere between tedious and cringeworthy, but he scored a good chuckle with this one. Pointing that out is the terminus of my interest on the subject until something new is introduced into the discussion.

And that right there says it all. You don't know or care whether it's personifying or satirizing. But you'll use it on the assumption that it's the former, and it'll only solidify the reasons why your side remains mystified by why candidates like McCain and Romney can't get elected.

Which is fine with me.

You fell off the rails about halfway to the station. The motive for Foxx's comment is irrelevant. Foxx's comment is only mentioned at all insofar as it provided a good trigger for the satire Beck engaged in.

Really. Including W. himself.

http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Politics/2004/09/Heaven-Sent.aspx

http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Politics/2004/11/Did-God-Intervene.aspx

Like I said, if you accept the premise that there's an all-powerful God who works in the world, it more or less follows that God most likely directly placed whoever's in charge in charge. There certainly is scripture to that effect, though I don't particularly feel like finding it at the moment.

What is interesting to me is that there do not seem to be the same sorts of statements from pastors that Barack Obama is a divine messenger/on a mission from God or what have you, as the ones I quoted above for W. Maybe there are and I'm just not looking for them in the right way.

My Google searching came up with a lot of links about a random calendar that someone made about the Obamas that had Obama's birth certificate on his birth month (August) and the famous "For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believe in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life" quote from John 3:16 on it. These people are up in arms that this calendar creator allegedly thinks that Obama is the Messiah, when in fact it seems obvious to me that he's just a huge troll.

You don't get to make that value judgment for anyone but yourself. Your first mistake was in assuming I'd ever board a train with you as the motorman.

Sure I do. You didn't address my point, but instead leaped off about halfway there. I'm absolutely in a position to point that out. You wanted to go off on what it was Jamie Foxx intended to do when that wasn't the point. Feel free, but that's not a topic that interests me.

I addressed your point. You just didn't like my answer. Join the Meme.

On this page, at least, you wanted to talk about:

1. Whether the myth being satirized existed.
2. Who came up with it.
3. Whether Jamie Foxx was satirizing that myth or simply embodying it.

None of those three were the point under discussion when you began participating.

Don't blame me if you can't keep up. You gonna start whining like Azure now?

I'll grant you that Beck is nowhere near as popular as he once was, but there was a time when getting mentioned on his show could earn a liberal death threats. And Limbaugh is still as influential as ever.

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If you'd like to return to the subject under discussion, I'll happily discuss it with you, but I'm still not going to enable your usual behavior of focusing on tangential subjects in order to avoid discussion of the topic at hand.

Come on man here's a much better target.


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