Mueller Investigation

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  1. Dinner

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    I am kind of sad. I was hoping for another juicy Friday night news dump but it seems like it is not happening this week. :(
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    Hey...........

    Remember when I said a window was opened for Flynn to ask the court to remove his guilty plea?

    Remember when I said the initial judge in Flynn's case was without warning yanked off the Flynn case after Flynn plead guilty? That no one knew why he was recused?

    Remember when I said the new judge in the Flynn case basically opened the door for Flynn by ordering Mueller to hand over EVERYTHING to Flynn or the judge and that it was the new judges opinion, after seeing the shit that was pulled over Senator Stevens trial, that when the Federal government intentionally withholds evidence that is favorable to the defendant that defendant has the right to ask for his guilty plea to be revoked and the courts should grant it?

    Well it turns out that FBI Agent Peter Strozk who interviewed Flynn and helped prosecute Flynn is FRIENDS with Judge Contreras. The judge who accepted Flynn's guilty plea.

    Now let's look at the timing.......

    Nov 30 Flynn pleads guilty. Judge Contreras accepts his plea.

    Dec 7 Judge Contreras is recused from the Flynn case.

    What happened between Nov 30 and Dec 7?

    The news started reporting that FBI Agent Strozk and DOJ lawyer Page had large amounts of texts going back and forth with each other.

    (Outbox is Page, Inbox is Strozk)

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    How deep does this go into the FBI?

    Peter Strzok - demoted
    Lisa Page (from DOJ) - removed
    Bruce Ohr - demoted twice
    Nellie Ohr - working for Fusion GPS
    FBI chief-legal-counsel James Baker - demoted
    FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe’s involvement in a small group conspiracy - removed - now fired
    FBI Communications head Michael Kortan - quit
    McCabe’s Chief of Staff James Rybicki - quit

    How do you not immediately recuse yourself as a judge in a case in which you are friends with one of the investigators?

    Probably because you didn't think you'd get caught.

    I expect Flynn to ask the court to grant a motion to vacate his guilty plea. He still may not get it of course but at least he can now ask for it and have a chance at getting it removed.
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  3. Dinner

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    So... One day after Mueller starts looking at the dirty money trail running through the Trump Organization one of Trump's lawyers loses his shit and starts demanding Trump fire Mueller. I think it is pretty clear they are scared shitless about what Mueller will find wrt Trump's finances.

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  7. Nova

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    nu uh. They supported him in the primaries too when they could have had:
    Ted Cruz (dad is literally a nut-job evangalist)
    Marco Rubio (literally tweets a Bible verse every day to prove he's one of them)
    and any of several other folks who God told to run for president.
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  8. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    what's more funny is that Zombie finds it unbelievable that Putin would be having anyone killed to protect his own interests (and that's hat he's protecting, if it incidentally benefits Donnie, if it doesn't that's fine too)
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  9. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    well, if he ever REALIZED he'd been disgraced it would...he's just too arrogant to consider the possibility.

    Actually, penniless wouldn't bother him unless he no longer had any credit. He's bragged often in life about owing more than he's worth and once said he didn't sleep well if he wasn't in debt. But he does want folks to THINK he's rich.

    Relevant:

    Michael Barbaro‏Verified account@mikiebarb 8h8 hours ago

    No precedent. But remember psychology 101: Michael D’Antonio, who interviewed Trump for hours and hours and wrote a biography of him, once told me Trump’s father “humiliated his children.” Humiliation is a powerful, recurring theme in Trump’s life—avoiding it and inflicting it


    (also relevant in Trump's obsession with "winning" over perceived enemies like Comey and McCabe)
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  10. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    John O. Brennan‏Verified account@JohnBrennan 15h15 hours ago
    When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America...America will triumph over you.
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    I find what I've bolded to be particularly interesting; however we may be looking at our own Saturday Night Massacre here.
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  13. Nova

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    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/16/mccabe-fired-fbi-justice-retirement-468647
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics/mccabe-fbi-firing/index.html

    He's not wrong that the circumstantial evidence of political pressure to discredit him is overwhelming.
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    Strong stuff and I have no reason to believe it is not true where as we all know Trump lies many times a day and cannot be trusted.
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    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/17/mccabe-memo-trump-fbi-469097

    The 49-year-old bureau veteran's move to memorialize his interactions with the president adds a new wrinkle to the circumstances behind his firing, which leaves McCabe's pension in jeopardy and raises the still-unanswered question of whether he will pursue legal action. The news was first reported by the Associated Press.

    McCabe has passed the memos on to Mueller’s team, according to a second source briefed on his decisionmaking.
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    Trying to copy from one of @Nova long extract posts and i can't be arsed editing from the phone.

    Anyway, is this accurate?

    "Kelly, McMaster and Mattis have all stated this week that they are concerned by the President's actions and are concerned about the future of our country."

    If it is accurate, suely even @Zombie and @Paladin have to start gettimg concerned about their guy?

    Obviously @oldfella1962 won't worry but we must be getting to a stage alarm bells are ringing?
  18. matthunter

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    Yeah not sure where this came from either. Only recent thing I can find is Mattis looking a bit eyerolley and "jeez, just shut up already" when Trump was being longwinded over complimenting Pompeo after replacing Tillerson with him.

    Other than that, the only thing I've seen is the purported "suicide pact" he has with Mnuchin that if Trump guns for either of them, the other threatens to quit. But that's going way back.
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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-take-notes-can-call-them-fake-memos.amp.html

    Trump is an idiot who just can't stop tweeting and giving other people ammo. This morning he attacked the memos that McCabe wrote in real time which confirm and support much of what Comey said. By mentioning the memos Trump just confirms that the memos are on his mind and possibly (probably) what motivated his vindictive and unjustified actions against McCabe.
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    Mattis made some remarks about attrocities committed in Syria as well as that Russia and Iran are ultimately responsible for them.
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    Ah, silly me. I was looking for stories of Mattis slagging off Trump, not his paymaster.
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...sessions-may-have-saved-himself--for-now.html

    CNBC article. Take away: Trump told Sessions he either fires McCabe, who was a supporting witness to Comey's allegations that Trump attempted to obstruct justice and impead a lawful law enforcement investigation, or Trump said he would fire Sessions.

    This will come out in either the Mueller investigation or in the soon to happen McCabe unlawful termination lawsuit. We all know it. There is too much public information now and there are too many reporters with inside sources (possibly even Sessions himself who has always been a smart leaker to the press to save himself; we are talking for decades).
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  23. K.

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    Right now, it seems as if the golden lining in the US population preferring familiar stupidity over competence to the point where they elect a racist, corporate stooge, and wannabe dictator, is that the wannabe dictator so elected is breath-takingly stupid.
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  24. Dinner

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    From the CNBC article linked earlier:

    McCabe's lawyer and a former DOJ inspector general, Michael R. Bromwhich, decried the action in a statement.

    "I have been involved in Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) disciplinary matters since 1994. I have never before seen the type of rush to judgment – and rush to summary punishment – that we have witnessed in this case.

    "The result of this deplorable rush to judgment is to terminate Mr. McCabe before his long-anticipated retirement and deny him of the full pension and retirement benefits he would have otherwise earned through his 21 years of devoted service to the FBI and this country. This is simply not the way such matters are generally handled in the DOJ or the FBI. It is deeply disturbing."

    However, Sessions' decision to fire McCabe appeared to please one very important person: His boss, President Donald Trump, given that Sessions has been on shaky ground with the president.
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    Fact Check:
    3m more voters preferred competence over stupidity.

    Otherwise I agree, but I can never let stand the idea that Trump actually won the votes of most voters.
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  26. K.

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    Quite right!
  27. Dinner

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    Not that rhat matters due to the constitution so whining about that is the equivalent of wanking into the wind. We all know that.
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    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    It's not whining ... it's defending our country's reputation.
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    http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...s-pattern-of-targeting-people-who-corroborate

    It seems every single FBI person who corroborates Comey's testimony is being systematically targeted by the Trump administration. I am sure Mueller will not fail to notice this fact wrt his Obstruction of Justice investigation.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...for-senate-judiciary-hearing-on-mccabe-firing

    Republicans on the Senate are going off side and are calling for a Senate investigation into the firing of McCabe.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...uestioning-of-makeup-of-special-counsels-team

    Schumer: Trump is floating trial balloons about firing Mueller. Probably trying to see how much effect his months long propaganda/disinformation campaign has had.
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