New Government Regulations on Mini Golf Courses

Really? We have to change mini golf courses? Life isn't fair and wasting money and time attempting to regulate fairness into everything is beyond stupid.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/new...lf-holes-require-businesses-admit-mini-horses

Gotta wonder how many wounded vets and their families would benefit from this.

Man, I can't wait to see how gyms are supposed to make leg press machines accessible to people in wheelchairs.

It's like these regulators have no brains.

This reads like it was written by the miniature horse lobby.

Holy shit, we have a miniature horse lobby.

Here's a thought:

Instead of passing legislation and blowing billions of dollars in public and private infrastructure to make places more "accessible" to the disabled, why don't we just create more accessible wheelchairs or mobility-enhancing devices?

Or we could just Gas all the feebs. Hey, it worked for Germany.

...aaaaaaand now this thread has hit bottom.

Only six posts. Not bad.

Well, they would've hated that one horseshoe hole at Par-Tee. And the final hole at NW Plaza.

Ok this one I can see, but would it cover small saunas designed for only one or two people?

Now this one, does it mean only one stand/stall is required to meet this, or every stand/stall?

This one can be very difficult to implement, as there are golf courses designed to use the natural contours of the landscape for the course. Which would mean altering the landscape and does this include the entire course, meaning a flat fairway without any real challenge?

So a treadmill for people in wheelchairs, leg press, elliptical, fucking stairmaster???

There are rides that cannot be ridden be people in wheelchairs with certain disabilities. Or how do you install a seat for someone who is too fucking fat to walk? You need a seat on ride that can accommodation someone that weighs 400lbs?

What is considered reasonable? Does that include that possibility that someone may show up with a miniature horse at sometime? Or that you need to install a mini-horse stall at a fine restaurant?

I have never seen a miniature horse as a guide animal anywhere.

Really, who wants a horse's ass in their face while eating. Many restaurants barely have enough room for a person, let alone a miniature fit in between tables.

Regulatory creep.

Recall that South Park episode on how to sit when mounting a throne ? We're getting there.

Some funny shit.

Probably not enough to warrant the cost and hassle to meet the new requirements.

This should be an interesting thread, given the outpouring of grief for a WF'er no longer with us who would benefit from these regulations...

Every day, the regulations are more intrusive, expensive, and absurd than the previous day's. I wonder what they will be like tomorrow.

I'm for making public spaces reasonably accomodating for the disabled, but this has just gone way too far. Some of these regulations could make a perfectly good business non-viable.

Wheelchair access to a roller coaster? Really?

I think it's time to freeze the ADA and call it good. Reasonable accomodation has turned into overbearing regulation.

How exactly CAN he know this? He'll only know after the horse shits on his property.

I stand corrected.

Now this thread has hit bottom.

Congratulations, you shrieking douchenozzle.

Perhaps you should email Gordon Hartman and ask him...

I guess if pointing out the hypocrisy of eulogizing someone while simultaneously declaring they aren't worthy of equal treatment makes me the asshole...then I'm the asshole.

I hate to bring this up, but:

Legless Army Vet Dies on New York Roller Coaster






The reports indicate that he specifically asked the attendants at the amusement park whether he could go on the various rides because of his obvious disabilities. He was told he could. However, the roller coaster ride clearly indicates you must be 3 feet tall to ride the coaster. In addition, once he was strapped in, it was obvious to the person he was with that the safety strap is supposed to go over your lap. He had no lap.

In evaluating a possible claim against the amusement park, the small details like these make a huge difference. Should the attendant's have known that there were challenges for people with disabilities and that some rides are more dangerous than others? You can clearly argue that is the case here.

Should a manager have been called over to discuss the different rides he would have been able to go on? Again, a good argument can be made that it should have been done.

Should the Army vet have recognized the inherent dangers associated with such a ride, given his physical disabilities? Maybe. However, it appears he relied on the park attendant to reassure him and confirm whether he could still go on this thrill-seeking ride.

Actually, it's not a regular theme park built with accomodations for disabled people, but a park designed specifically for disabled people and their needs. Non-disabled people aren't the target demographic for that place and, unless they're accompanying a disabled family member or friend, I doubt you'd find many (or any) of them there on a given day.

I've covered a few stories there (Hartman showed us the plans for the place before they ever turned a shovel on the project) and it's a pretty cool place.

Once again, the Market provides.

Out of rep, but exactly.

Unless you happen to be a wounded vet.

Because pointing out how this might have benefited someone we knew is a terrible crime.

Shouldn't you be busy making fun of earthquake victims or something?

Well I guess the wounded vets can drive by the now closed mini golf course along with the chosen.

Protip, a large corporation like Disney (who gets a very high accessibility rating) can eat the costs associated with access far easier than a mom and pop fun park. Who is served when mom and pop decide to lock the doors and push up their retirement. Who will be getting summer jobs picking up miniature horse shit?

All valid points, and for the most part I agree.

It's just somebody's got to push back against the "If it doesn't affect me, I don't give a shit" mindset that prevails in this forum.

I see your "If it doesn't affect me, I don't give a shit" mindset, and raise you a "If it's not being mandated by government, it's not being done" dogma.

Well gee, isn't it nice now that all our negreps are toothless now when it comes to tasteless shit like this?

If they strictly enforce the amusement park part that will kill the parks. You just can not make the intense rides like coasters safe enough for a wheelchair person without making the ride so convulted that it costs too much money for the park to put up.

And it talks about wheelchair people but what type of wheelchair people? Paralyzed? Amputees? Fat?

I'm not sure where the federal government even gets the Constitutional authority to pass and enforce the ADA. A fixed establishment is NOT interstate commerce.

How about bringing up someone who is being eulogized to make a point for simply making a point that you can't make with any reasonable or valid arguments. Bringing up dKehler pretty much says "Look at me, I'm such an asshole that I'll use the death of someone to make me look better." And honestly, if you brought yourself up to an asshole you're overreaching by at least 3 or 4 levels.

Making such modifications to existing establishments can very well cost so much that they business would have to close, or to accommodate the single person who may show up once in a while is incredibly asinine. There are some types of business that accommodating certain disabilities would cost so much that in order to stay in business the costs would be high enough that few people would be willing to spend the money to use that business.

Shouldn't you be busy eating the barrel of gun? And how do you know this, dKehler or someone with the same disability may or may not have benefited from this. Some of the modifications can be considered something this is the right thing to do, and some are just asinine. Modify minigolf courses so that wheelchairs can be used on them, part of the challenge is to make them diverse and fun. Having the first 9 flat or nearly flat can kill the fun and challenge. But it can be made up with having the rest of it with stairs, drops, etc.

Amusement parks, there are many rides that cannot be made to accommodate a person in a wheel chair. Put someone on a rollercoaster with 2 loops, an Immelman and corkscrew without legs, spinabifida?? Every amusement park will be open to lawsuits over someone who insisted they could ride on something that would injure or kill them because of their disability, or the thrill rides would go from thrill ride to kind of fun ride.

And I'm sure you can find numerous occasions on which I've said just that.

Meanwhile, it would be neat if Morgan's Wonderland became a national franchise.

Since he lived in Canada, not so much.



I'm in a tough place on this. Clearly, I am part of the demographic they want to help here and accessibility can be a major issue.

But some of this is just ridiculous...if you are disabled enough to need a wheelchair then most of those rides are not safe for you.

I mean...take me. I need oxygen 24/7...there simply can't be a safe way for me to be on a roller coaster with my equipment. Then there's gravity effects when you have a catheter hanging out of your chest (or anywhere else, really).

I go to amusement parks and fairs still. There is one in the fall I get in to free because I am in a wheel chair. There are lots of things to do even if you can't go on rides....food, games, shows.

I used to like mini-golf, but honestly, I can't think of anything more awkward than trying to play it from a wheelchair.

Gyms...to my knowledge, if I went into our local gym and met with the trainers there they would design a workout with me that would be appropriate to my condition and needs. Mandating every machine, whether logical or not, to be usable by someone like me is excessively stupid. Why can't a machine be repositioned if and when it's needed instead of mandated garbage that might not even apply to some places?

Stores, eating establishments, government buildings, doctor's offices, hospitals..places of necessity need to be accessible and regulation is probably appropriate to make sure it happens.

But this?? Too much. People like me have got to be practical and accepting that some activities are out of your scope once your handicapped is part of the process.