Not Only Want Control Over Healthcare...

She also will not rule out garnishing our income if we do not want to have healthcare. This woman gets worse and worse the more she speaks. What is it about politicians like Hillary and for that matter Edwards that makes them believe they are something special in how to live that they should have the power to dictate how we should as individuals should conduct our lives?

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Can someone explain to me how RomneyCare and HillaryCare 2.0 are substantially different?

Well I haven't heard him discussing forcing people into the system if they do not want too. I haven't heard anything about a desire to garnish wages from Romney.

...and you know what the hell I can afford how, exactly?

Who cares? If they don't want health care, that's their fucking business. When they lose an arm or leg, bill the fuck out of them for being dumbfucks.

Didn't you know? Mommy Clinton knows what is best for all of us.

If you're that scared, you should have voted for Obama just to block her. It wouldn't have stopped you from throwing your vote away on a third-party candidate in November.

I'm sure you will do it for us if it turns out to be Romney v Hillary. Or even Romney v Obama.

I'll just go ahead and be the first one to say it:

I'll never allow my wages to be garnished so some lazy inner city minority can get a free prostate exam.

If people would just buy their generic drugs at Walmart. $4 bucks for a month's supply. Jeeeeeeez.

I have no problem garnishing the wages of someone who defaults on his hospital bills, but that's as far as I'll go. Health care isn't an entitlement, and there are other ways of protecting the healty from the unhealthy. Ways that don't involve enslaving one person to the welfare of another. If you think that's "moral" or "compassionate," you should go jump off a fucking bridge. Just make sure your insurance is paid up, in case you survive the fall.

This attitude ensures that we'll be stuck with the two current parties and their inept candidates, and by extension the gridlocked clusterfuck of a government we currently have, into the forseeable future.

Hill = hildabeast.

If you have a boss, you're enslaved to his welfare by the selfsame logic.

So, really, it's picking and choosing who you're enslaved to.

So, by what criteria do you pick?

Far more likely I'll be trying to convince you they're exactly the same to get people to vote for Olivier or Badnarik, whoever wins the LP nomination.

But it's mutually beneficial, rather than some redistributionist extortion scheme where I'm told to pay up or be robbed and/or infected with preventable diseases by those who fail to support themselves.

If I'm to surrender something of value, I expect something equivalent in exchange, and the removal of a threat is not a reward.

Oh, bullshit.
They fuck you any way they can, and as hard as they want.
A literal fuck with simultaneous orgasm is mutually beneficial.
A boss comes in your ass without the decency of a reach around.

Oh, come now.
Work is an extortion scheme.
The economy is redistributionist.
Bust your ass on the wheel of pain, or BE one of the parasites.
There's no escaping it.
The only way to to be truly independent in this system is to be rich.
Of course, even then, you're interdependent on employees, and customers.
No one just creates themselves.
That's just a bullshit rags to riches myth.
A marketing ploy.
This country specializes in those.

Equivalent exchange is a turd nugget of a lie.
Haven't you watched Full Metal Alchemist?

Bust your ass, get a miserable little speck of compensation.
Meanwhile, some trust fund brat is born into wealth.

There's no even distribution at all.

It's fucked on every level.

There's peanut butter in every gear.

The American dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
There's a good bumper sticker.
See 'em put that in one of those "truth", ads.

(Come on Al, logic out of it, you can do eet)

If you expect a job to be blissful, you're bound to be disappointed. Yes, I put up with a lot of shit, but they pay me for it.

That's like saying cave men were extorted by their hunger into killing mammoths. Survival requires labor. You can either work to directly produce the things you need to live, or you can work for a medium of exchange and buy them. "Move your ass or die" is the natural order of things.

I'd say it's more subjective than deceptive. But I have a choice of where I work, or whether I work at all. I could conceivably sleep in a big city drain pipe and cook rabbits on a stick, but I prefer the life this job affords me. Ultimately, whether or not it's worth it to me is all that matters.

Tried it. Bored me.

Life is not fair. It's never going to be fair, and any attempt to make it fair inevitably imposes some new form of outrage.

And there should not be.

I believe in what I see proven. What I see is me working, buying shit, and paying bills. If I don't like that, I can go live a Davy Crockett life someplace else, but I am not owed a position of prosperity in modern society without some expectation of compromise on my part.

Ah, there we go...

Hmm, but then...

So, in the end, it comes down to "I like stuff".
That's above and beyond bare caveman/Davy Crockett survival stuff.

So, I guess that's covered by...

But by what balance point does the economy rest?

Indeed.
The society we're in is testament to that.

Wakarimasen.

So the choice is either find some way to function within it, or accept dying on the wages of inaction.

Come on, Hulk, explode out from under those wet gym mats! Explode!
Prove yourself worthy of the mission to retrieve the Ultimate Machine!

I hand over 60 cents, you give me a candy bar.

If the economy rests on nothing, then by what force did you give me a candy bar in exchange for my illusory money?

A beneficial delusion?

That's the case religion makes for itself.

Interesting...

Diacanu, your parents must either not know you very well, or must be very fucking patient people.

Fuck it. I'll just start working for cash or not work at all.

As opposed to working for what, Tootsie rolls?

Under the table.

If it's good enough for our undocumented workers, it's good enough for me.

That's the spirit.

Ah, bummer, UA ain't coming back, I was gonna flesh out my answer to the second bit based on how he answered the first bit.

Ah well.

It was a fun little devil's advocate go-round for a bit.

Got some interesting perspectives.

No, the force that compels him to give you a candy bar is the expectation of selling you (and by extension his other customers) more candy bars in the future, thereby securing his livelihood. If he takes your money and does not give you your candy bar, you won't go back to him again and you will likely also spread the word that he takes your money without providing any goods or services in return, and eventually no-one will do business with him at all. That's called free market capitalism and it seems to be about the best economic system so far developed.

When you say undocumented workers do you mean illegal aliens?