Obama's legacy

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  1. shootER

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    I can recall...one...instance where one of my daughters was hassled about her ethnicity.

    Glad I didn't raise them in California. :ramen:
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    I always found it odd that mixed race children would get crap from the minority side. It is not just partially black us children if you go to Asian countries both sides would reject a mixed Asian baby. I really want to smack those people in the head. Those children should be evidence that it does not matter because you love them no matter what. I do not have children, and I have very slim opportunity to have a mixed child in my immediate family. However my nephew or my niece may find love with a human with different physical characteristics and people better shut the fuck up about that shit if it happens. To be a minority and still give people crap over mixed relations is stupid.

    I have a friend who is female and married to a gay man. He is gay as the day is long, and they fell in love knowing that. So they are swingers and bring back a third every so often. I looked at their relationship and tossed out all the voices in my head that had arguments with that. When they found a third and got involved in a polygamous relationship all I said was talk about things because you are navigating waters where no one can help with advice. I again tossed out all the stupid voices that were saying it was doomed. Who cares when you are honest and trying to make things work with love. Now she is having a baby with the new guy because he wanted to be a genetic father and she already had two wonderful kids. What do you say to a family who is doing that and staying together while working out their disagreements and troubles. The only thing I could say was awesome and be happy for them. If it happens they eventually fail like so many normal relationships do it was not because they did not try. I hope it doesn't because I was wrong about polygamy. It can happen in a wonderful and good way. Who the fuck am I to tell them no? I want to be their cheerleader rather than the person who tears them down.

    Why are you going to feel negatively about someone for having black skin from birth. Some tanning people might need some help so they do not hurt themselves, but even there I just want them to make the right decision with the proper information. Children who come from mixed parents should be awesome. We do not want a world full of the same color cat or the same color dog. We see a whole bunch of different colors and types of animals we think that is beautiful. Why is that not the same with people? I think it is great we have different skin color. I do not hate gingers and think it is a bit silly to hate them for having red hair. People with Asian eyes have different skin tones and hair quality, and that is awesome. If these features cross the only thing I am worried about is people all becoming the same. I do not think that is going to happen due to genetics and society.

    I just don't get people sometimes, and in the case of disliking people of mixed race I am good with not being able to grasp that.
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    True.

    Also true.

    I have to say though that I find it rather interesting that Obama's biracial background tends to not really be brought up all that much though, at least by the media. I have seen him catch crap over it from individuals, though. For me, though, his race(s) are of little consequence beyond how he occasionally will use it to his political advantage, or will claim it is influencing his policies. He's done a few things I've agreed with and a lot of things I haven't, including quite a few that have actually made him a bit worse than Bush (such as his treatment of whistle-blowers). ACA might have been his legacy, but I guess we'll see how long that lasts now. So I guess what his real legacy is going to be is Trump, when you think about it. Or, if he manages to get us into a war with Russia in the next week and a half, I guess that will be his legacy. :shrug:
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    :shrug: Anyone can be racist. Children of mixed race represent a "thinning of the blood" to purity-obsessed racists on both sides. Bonus points if the kid actually looks distinctly like one side of the family.
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    @Tererun in the black community, I think it stems from the all but official apartheid that was standard until the 1960s. Just a few weeks ago on Facebook, there was a discussion on black hair and how our magazines still more often than not use light models who usually do not have the same hair as the target audience. A few women insisted that light skins have so many advantages in life and are accepted more easily into society. I mean...,not from what I've seen. Maybe they get hired to be the token minority more, but they als gotta deal with many guys seeking them out as a trophy admidst their own racial issues.

    Believe me, I don't understand it, either.

    @shootER my hometown was basically as backwoods as whatever shithole Oldfella lives in and the racist crap was just on the down low. I was always in AP classs that generally the teachers enjoy teaching in, so I had a far different school experience than my brother did. When I first started posting here, me and Mewa and Vandy to a lesser extent used to butt heads over racial issues because I've never experienced the harassment they have or knew many successful black folks in my own life. So I really did think we were past this crap. Guess not. :brood:
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    All of Obama's achievements in government are about to be reversed by Trump. And the Democratic Party has been slowly beaten to a pulp on his watch. That's not much of a legacy.

    On the other hand, we remember the reign of Marcus Aurelius, a strong and philosophical leader, as the end of the Pax Romana. Thanks to Trump, perhaps Obama will enjoy similar status among historians.
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    And that's where your argument that no racist meltdown happened anywhere else should end.
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  8. Amaris

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    Indeed. It says more about the people preparing to gleefully tear down the legacy he's built. It's like watching the Civil Rights movement in reverse.
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    Damn John beat me to the punch with the "waste" comment. :shakefist:
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    Oh I realize that - and kids can be cruel at times. Oh hell all the time! I fucking hated my childhood on almost every level. :( High School especially is one long nightmare.
    Okay, cue jokes about it really being a long nightmare for me because it took a couple of years longer than it should! :lol:
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    Or some people agree with that part of his legacy (civil rights) but disagree with the rest. It's not binary.
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    Obama was too much talk and not enough delivery. But there is something that he has, that even Dubya has to a certain degree, that Trump does not. Presidential conduct and behaviour.

    Obama's legacy will exceed the sum of his in-office accomplishments because his dignity, humility and professionalism in the job will be highlighted by Trump's lack thereof. The contrast is going to be extreme, and I think very soon many on the fence neutrals and centrists, and day to day folks, will become very uncomfortable with what they have installed at the top of the tree, to represent their interests and be their public face to the world.
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    Join the club, bro. Adulthood has a lot going for it.
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    What America needs is a whole generation who is used to and accepts equality to raise a new generation of whites who have no personal memory of white privilege.

    Also --- obviously --- America urgently needs to do something about the yawning wealth gap. Because as long as you have that, you'll have White Trashism: "I don't have a pot to pee in but my skin is white, so I'm not quite at the bottom of the heap.
    And by God I'll never let the niggers forget it!"
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    Hey other kids were cruel to me.

    And I'm nearly all white and from a relatively affluent family.
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    Exactly what did President Obama accomplish in the realm of civil rights?

    Aside from being the first black president of course.
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    Probably true, because he came after one of the worst Presidents in history and is being succeeded by a man we all know is going to be *the* worst President in history.

    His DoJ did a lot of work on civil rights. They did a fairly good job of preventing Republican neo-Confederates at the state level from disenfranchising black voters wholesale. The Ferguson report is something that probably wouldn't have happened under any other President.
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    What good did the Ferguson report do?

    And need a link about "disenfranchising black voters" from an unbiased source.

    Not the Southern Poverty Law Center. They push an agenda.

    And President George W. Bush was far from "one of the worst presidents in history".

    And President Trumps performance is yet to be seen.
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    For those paying attention, it revealed the way municipal governments around the country act to simply pillage their black citizens. You can't do anything about a problem until you know it's there. Instead of taxing the rich to fund public services they derive revenue from ticketing black people.

    LOL. Does the SPLC trigger you because you've already decided racism isn't a problem in the US today? Sorry, you don't get a safe space. You should look up the court decision striking down North Carolina's voter ID laws though. The phrase "target African Americans with almost surgical precision" was used. All the nonsense about voter fraud is just a cover to disenfranchise (mostly black) voters who tend to vote for Democrats.

    Definitely in the bottom three. Also a war criminal who should have been hanged for invading Iraq.

    To some extent, yes. Everything we've seen up until now indicates that this will be the most corrupt Presidency in history. His cabinet appointments are the stuff of nightmares.
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    Really?

    You can make an easy argument that in terms of how they harmed the United States, Richard Nixon, Herbert Hoover, Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Jimmy Carter, and Lyndon Johnson were far, far worse.

    That puts Bush no worse than 7th inarguably.

    And President Bush cannot be a war criminal because the U.S. Congress approved of the invasion of Iraq.
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    People are just haters....Everyone knows mixed kids are the cutest. :wub:
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    When you set the whole house on fire, no one is going to believe you when you say you only wanted to replace the living room lamp.
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