Oklahoma! Home to the Tallest Building in the States!

You're mistaken sorry. Perhaps you are thinking of buildings whose air conditioning systems are designed to create positive pressure for clean room applications and climate control? (Shopping malls for example often do this so you feel warm/cold as soon as you step inside and they don't get draughts)

@Tuckerfan as someone who has made these sorts of mistakes before it is cool. Just look into it, learn some new things, make your brain happy, and admit to being human it will be all right. You know it is cool because I would be slapping your ass if it was amusing. Be a good example and accept the duh.

Not that Seattle is bitter or anything.

And in other Oklahoma news, they put a white nationalist who marched at "Unite The Right" into public office.
They're trying to recall him, so they aren't a ruined evil state yet.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-recall-vote-judd-blevins-enid-city-council-rcna143041

Uh, the 102nd floor observation deck on the Empire State Building is outside.

At 1000 feet air pressure is 99.4% of sea level. Pressure drops more during bad weather.

Portable oxygen tanks needed.

yeah, I've worked on condos well above 50 that most assuredly weren't pressurized. What, with the balconies and window screens...
The plumbing was pretty standard too. Although I imagine by the time it gets to the shared stacks there's some forced air venting.

Driving up a hill today which will put me a couple of hundred metres above sea level. Please all pray for me that I survive this ordeal.

I'm finding some sources that say skyscrapers do maintain a slight positive pressure for a variety of reasons, though not because people need it to breathe.

doesn't matter... condo towers suck.

Yeah, positive pressure is quite different to being pressurized though, mostly just about controlling which way air is flowing through the leaks in the building

Could be. But whatever the case is, buildings over 50 storeys have to worry more about climate control and pressurization (the term of folks who are experts, not mine) than those that are 50 and below.

Regardless, if you think that this building (assuming it actually does go up) is constructed in a safe manner, then you have far more trust in the responsible agencies than I do. I'm speaking as someone who's worked in the building trades in the US at the level where I'm actually involved in the construction of things, and not as someone who has familiarity with some of the technical matters, but who doesn't have familiarity with how theory and reality can collide. If I'm wrong, no biggie, but if I'm right, and that a state where people embrace things like "alternative facts" and "the 2020 election was stolen" are in charge, is about to build something that has a "Kick Me" for tornados, then some bad shit is going to happen.

I'll be happy to be wrong, but I can't deny that I live in a country where the former leader said that if we stopped testing for COVID that the number of cases would go down. And do I need to mention all the shit that's been happening with Boeing and United?

Do you have the source on that?

None that I could rundown in a reasonable period of time. I mean, my dead dad worked in construction and knew about such shit, and I've seen a number of different TV shows on the subject, but not a one of them that could be considered "expert" on the subject springs to mind.

Let's face it, there's not an active poster here who lives in OK, so it's not like any of us posting solid facts on the matter will make a meaningful impact on the people who might live in the building or near it (assuming it actually gets built). And the fucking regulation problems associated with such a building that might be decided on a national level aren't going to be dealt with if Trump gets elected again. You gonna argue that if I can 100% prove that this building goes up it will result in people getting killed is enough to get those folks who claim to be "anti-Trumpers" yet spend more time tearing down Biden than they ever did Trump to vote for Biden? I ain't. So what's the point in me figuring out all the specifics regardless of if I'm right or wrong about this?

Again, if I'm wrong about this, nobody dies. If I'm right, and not only do people die, but it is revealed that folks involved with various regulatory agencies ignored the warning signs, then it's not any different than what we're seeing with Boeing and United Airlines. You're a programmer for videogames. I'm a guy who's worked in construction and made parts for aerospace companies. You tell me who people should listen to. I suck at math, and that's a thing needed for videogames and engineering. But at the same time, I've seen engineers get flummoxed by shit I took for granted and if their education was as good as mine, they should have known.

Technologically such a building should be possible, but given the way America works based on my experience? I wouldn't want to be any where near it during conditions that OK experiences on a routine basis. YMMV.

That's all well and good, but the only part of your post I quoted was this:

The reason I'm so interested in the insistence around those claims is that my university studies were in architecture and aviation, with the aviation side of things heavily focused on areas like the human factors impacts of low pressure atmosphere at altitude and the like.

this seems relevant:

Interesting and relevant example!

I did find an example of the all glass Westin hotel in downtown Atlanta after being hit by a Tornado. I heard the story years ago at Dragoncon. At the beginning of this video there is a top to bottom view of the damage. According to the guy who told me the story the people were directed into the stairwells away from the glass into a safe zone in case of a tornado. The building was in no damage of collapse, and the window damage seemed to be sporadic. This tornado came right through the skyrises in Atlanta. It looks like the CNN building and Omni took a worse hit despite being more cement and glass. I was told as a glass building the westin had thicker glass which took a couple of years to get replacements made.

I cannot speak for what will happen in Oklahoma considering they do not like science stuff, and love rich guy vanity projects to be off the rails, but the insurers and investors might keep this thing on track to use decent modern materials that have been developed from incidents like tornado hits to other cities in tornado alley, and hurricane wind and debris resistant high rises in cities that can be hit by the eye wall of powerful hurricanes.

Over in Miami the larger buildings are meant to be shelters for when the storm hits. For the people who stay that is where you would be safest if the eye wall comes over where you hunker down.

Not to mention you do not want a big storm causing your high rise to be condemned. Windows are replaceable, but the internal support and structure has to be repairable or else your building is going to be worthless after a hit. It is not just buildings, but also bridges and other structures that have to be built so they can with stand severe storm level winds.

As much as I do not have faith in oklahoma requiring the proper safety protocols to be in effect, I think insurance companies have come a long way and are going to require good safe building practices in tornado alley for a liability like this. Having done business that requires specialized insurance they do not fuck around today with requirements. That does not mean they won't lie, but the insurance company will require them to show what they engineer into the construction for this sort of thing. There does seem to be a large amount of study on these sorts of events with large buildings.