Pierre Poilievre is not a serious person.

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  1. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey cynicism isn't wisdom, it's surrender.

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    through the miracle of gerrymandering, this Rosedale reject is my MP.

    On the plus side, there's little risk of Uni-Rose electing a conservative to replace her, but we don't even have candidates for the next election stumping yet...
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    Well, if recent polling is to be believed, there's now a credible chance that the Cons will only form a minority government.

    And that's due 100% to the Donald Trump effect.
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  4. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey cynicism isn't wisdom, it's surrender.

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    yeah, that 30 seat drop in projections is great news (and hopefully just the start of a downward trend).

    Hopefully PP will get Joe Clarked before he can do any real damage...
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    Thoughts on Mark Carney?
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    Has a good economical background - economic degrees from Harvard and Oxford

    Was only a backup goalie in university though, not a good look

    Presided over the Bank of Canada during the recession back in 2008 and is rightly credited as doing a good job helping Canada survive that period. Took over at the Bank of England after that and the reviews of his performance are lukewarm

    He's actually a banker that said the "Occupy Wall Street" movement had a point about wealth inequality, which is rare. Also warned people many times how damaging Brexit would be

    He does have that Trudeau stink on him though. I think in any other time he'd be regarded as a good candidate and I'd probably vote for him but there's just no way I can let the Liberals off the hook for what they've done
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  8. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey cynicism isn't wisdom, it's surrender.

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    yeah, I think he'll do a capable job as we realign our trading relationships over the next few years with his experience in European markets.
    Trudeau has fizzled out badly and PP has done a great job of mudslinging, but I think at least the swing voters (which is half of the country) are realizing that there's little substance to him other than smugness and shit talking.
    Carney represents the hope of having a grown up to run things again.
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    Apparently he pretty correctly and vocally pointed out the dangers of Brexit. I’m not sure he can be blamed for the English public deciding to kill their economy anyway.

    And I have to admit I did a double take when I read that he had been head of the BoE. Had to go look it up myself. I didn’t realize the UK would let folks from subject nations have such powerful roles.
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    It can't happen fast enough. The little shit is trying to prevent Canadians from receiving help just to maintain his stupid messaging.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-mps-poilievre-housing-1.7383231

    Some Conservative MPs are frustrated after their leader, Pierre Poilievre, barred them from promoting a federal housing fund in their constituencies, sources told Radio-Canada.

    Sources say that Poilievre has instructed Conservative MPs to stop advocating on behalf of municipalities in their ridings who want to obtain funds through the $4-billion Housing Accelerator Fund.

    "It's extremely frustrating," one Conservative source told Radio-Canada. "MPs are being stopped from helping their cities for partisan reasons."
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    This.

    I'm no fan of PP but I'm really torn on this. The Liberals have absolutely wreaked havoc with Canada over the past ten years and deserve some time in the penalty box. But I also don't want a Con supermajority either, given some of the wackadoodles that would make up the caucus.

    It's highly likely that we will see either a Con minority or a Liberal minority.

    I don't think that's good news for Canadians, given the onslaught of bullshit we're going to see from Washington D.C. for the next four years. :sigh:
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    Pssst.

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    I'm trying to figure out where they've wreaked havoc rather than simply bungled things-and even then I'm having trouble coming up with a list that isn't stuff they inherited but failed to fix rather than they broke it themselves.
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    - Immigration
    - National security
    - Housing
    - SNC-Lavalin
    - Carbon tax (a noble idea that has done nothing to reduce Canada's target emissions but has increased the price of everything for consumers)

    None of those were "broken" per se when the Liberals took office in 2015. But they did a damn fine job fucking it all up.

    And I raise SNC-Lavalin because that was worthy of criminal prosecution, but Trudeau fired his Attorney General before that could happen.
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    Um....

    On 18 December 2019, SNC-Lavalin Construction Inc. pleaded guilty to fraud contrary to section 380(1) a) of the Criminal Code. The company stated that, between 2001 and 2011, over $47.5 million in bribes had been paid to Al-Saadi Gaddafi. The money was directed through two representative companies, both listing former SLCI vice-president and president Riadh Ben Aissa as the sole beneficial owner. In return for the payments, Al-Saadi Gaddafi applied his influence to secure construction contracts for SNC-Lavalin Construction. Payments of personal benefits totalling over $73.5 million were also made through the representative companies to Ben Aissa and Sami Bebawi, former president of SLCI. As part of its plea agreement with the Public Prosecution Service, SLCI was fined $280 million.[120]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair
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    Okay, I need a few specifics on immigration. I mean, I get it as it ties to affordable housing-it's not like there's a shortage of $2M McMansions or half finished condos though-but that's also at least half way a provincial leadership issue as well. If we had the affordable housing stock (or more accurately, if it hadn't been devastated by the provincial cons removing rent increase guidelines among other things).

    National Security-again, need something a little more specific? That cell phone thing from a few years back?Did they find documents in the attic when renovating 24 Sussex?

    14th already shows the homework on SNC-Lavalin. Seems that was a Martin/Harper problem that's now PP's fuel for gaslighting...

    Don't something like 4/5 Canadians get more back in a carbon rebate than we pay? If the logistical/transportation industry paying by passing it along to consumers is the argument, then eventually the point becomes shareholder returns rather than the actual cost of doing business. That aside it strikes me that the worst part of the carbon tax has been the optics of it. We don't mind taxes here so long as we don't see them-remember the GST roll out? The Cons (and oil companies) have cried and drawn attention to it like they're soccer players with a grass stained knee.
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    Should have been clearer.

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau should have been charged for interfering in a criminal investigation.
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    Immigration and housing: even the Liberals admit they fucked up by throwing the doors open and effectively quadrupling immigration over a three-year period. It's pretty much crippled all aspects of public infrastructure (healthcare, education, housing, transit, etc.) and was especially felt in the GTA because of the number of immigrants who settle there... not to mention the problem being exacerbated by shitty provincial funding policies. Again, these aren't Conservative talking points. The immigration minister himself admitted late last year that they screwed the pooch (although he was more diplomatic) and began drastically reducing visas. But too late, the damage has been done.

    National security: Too many to list but Bill C-5, the Cullen Commission, immigration policies, and the tepid response to foreign interference are off the top of my head.

    Carbon tax: You're echoing the funny math the Liberal Party trots out. The 4/5 number is correct if you strictly look at taxes paid by individuals, but not if you factor in the consumer price index and overall cost of living. The carbon tax isn't the only factor in that equation but it's one of the major contributors. And again, the overall point is that the carbon tax has done nothing to reduce Canada's emissions.
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    Do you mean prosecution?

    IMHO Trudeau was acting responsibly and in the national interest there, trying to save Canadian jobs, and the law was written was well-intentioned but hopelessly naive.

    If convicted, the company could be blocked from competing for federal government contracts for a decade.

    SNC-Lavalin had hoped that its fraud and corruption charges could be resolved with what's known as a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA), which would spare the company a trial and possible criminal conviction. The company had lobbied federal officials for such an outcome, according to the Globe and Mail.

    Last year, the Trudeau government amended the Criminal Code to establish remediation agreements, also known as deferred prosecution agreements.

    This amendment, which SNC-Lavalin had lobbied the government to introduce, would allow companies accused of certain economic offences — such as bribery, fraud and corruption — to be spared criminal charges.

    Instead, these companies could admit wrongdoing and pay a financial penalty. Part of the reasoning behind the amendment, according to the Criminal Code, was to "reduce the negative consequences of the wrongdoing for persons — employees, customers, pensioners and others — who did not engage in the wrongdoing."

    In the case of SNC-Lavalin, which employs nearly 9,000 Canadians across the country, the concern has been that a successful criminal prosecution against the company could cost many jobs and damage the economy, particularly in Quebec.

    However, the section of the Criminal Code that lays out the conditions for remediation agreements states that the prosecutor, when considering such an agreement, must not factor in the "national economic interest" or "the potential effect on relations with a state other than Canada."


    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-wilson-raybould-attorney-general-snc-lavalin-1.5014271
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    I can't speak to other provinces, but Alberta was eagerly accepting as many immigrants as it was allocated right up until Smith started complaining they were receiving too many. Smith had actually been demanding Alberta receive a bigger share of Canada's immigrants shortly before that. And Alberta is still running ads inviting skilled immigrants to move to Alberta. :shrug:
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    Alberta doesn't take anywhere near the level of immigrants that the GTA does. The majority of immigrants to Canada end up settling in southern Ontario. The rest largely go to Montreal or the British Columbia lower mainland.

    Anyway, we need immigration. We'd be done without it. I hate that the Trudeau Liberals took decades of largely sensible, measured policies and threw them out the window after COVID.
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    Bit off topic but my TV and internet broke so I haven’t been able to get the Kraken Canucks score.

    Any of y’all catch it?
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    I thought he was in jail. Did he get pardoned?
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