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  1. Tuckerfan

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    it's remarkable how little right-leaning folks fail to realize how much they undermine their credibility by takeing the phrase "the woke left" as a serious comment.
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    It's kinda sad that conservatives have something like five "jokes" total and they think attaching them to different images makes them original.
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    I remember a couple of ice storms in AL where all the dolts had to jump into their pickups and drive in it. It was a LOL fest while driving down the road to see them all in front yards, the gutters, crashing through fences. Then it was like the redneck mist when I stopped for some coffee and smokes and it was a sea of white dudes with neck beards and goatees huddling in the gas station crying about how dangerous it was. They told me not to drive, but I made it home alive. I guess that only proves I am from NY like Billy Joel and not a fucking southern redneck idiot who thinks physics is bullshit, and their F150s and rams are magical vehicles that do not have to worry about ice. Fucking pretty little things needed some dents and damage anyway.
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    I don't think the minimum wage is just fine where it is, but national minimum wages are stupid. What may work in one place doesn't always work in other places.
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    There could at least be a national threshold below which no state could go.* After that, calibrate based on the standard of living state by state.

    *With big, fat fines levied on employers who cheated, and the monies distributed among their employees.
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    I had to work this out myself.

    In the old currency, 15 bob (shillings) was 0.75 pounds.

    According to the Bank of England, 0.75 pounds in 1843 (the year the story was published) would be worth 96 pounds currently.

    Assuming Cratchit works 52 weeks per year, that's just under 5000 pounds per annum, or 6700 USD. In today's prices.

    So either I'm missing something or this silly Communist sucks at math. :borg:
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    I think in a society like the US where capitalism is the primary driving force the minimum wage for survival varies with demand and location. 15 dollars an hour is not going to help you much in NYC without a second job and then you are living in poverty week to week. However, 15 dollars in the middle of rural AL I am Owning a home, car, and having vacations as long as I do not carry large amounts of debt from school or stupid spending.

    There is one recent change that is going to effect the dynamic. Due to covid there has been a massive explosion of work from home on middle class career jobs. This is going to send people packing towards low cost/high value homes in the country along HS data lines. That was the future for a lot of jobs anyway, but COVID sent it into high gear. This means that the movement into the red rural areas by blue city dwellers is going to increase. It might do some good to balance living costs and break more of the bubble of rural racism.
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    Did you take into account inflation and other things that a conversion calculator takes into account?
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    What this implies is that the lowest MW in the country should be a living wage THERE but states with a higher cost of living should have an even higher MW.

    If you want that formula dictated from the Feds then sure, the MW can be variable (also, by the way, the poverty line too - which is calculated poorly and too low everywhere - but i digress) but still, whatever it is in the state with the lowest one would constitute a national minimum and....really really should be higher.
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    Question: How would you get from 0.75 pounds in 1843 to 96 pounds in 2020 other than by taking inflation into account? Isn't that the very definition of inflation?
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    What our silly communist is missing is that Cratchit is not the epitome of poverty. He has 7 children. He asks for a bonus because he has so many children; none of Scrooge's other workers do. Clerks made good money! PPP-adjusted (what you missed), Cratchit was making ~$70k-80k/year. But you try raising 7 kids on that single income! Dickens's point was that while business fairness doesn't compel one to make allowances for someone else's circumstances, Christian morality does.
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    Math in the red room.

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    I don’t know. That’s why I asked.
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    Something tells me you don't really understand the concept of inflation...
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    isn't that the process of a person going from a fertilized egg to adult sized, sometimes bigger, in about 20 years? :bigass:
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    It tells me that you don’t understand the multiplicity of many factors including inflation. There’s cost of living and purchasing power and a multitude of other things.
    so, if you can’t contribute, might want to just keep your fingers off the keyboard.
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    And how exactly do you arrive at that figure?
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    Bob Cratchit's financial situation is the least of my concerns. How exactly does a frog copulate with a pig? And why are some of their children frogs and some pigs? Why aren't they monstrous frog-pig hybrids?
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    This seems to be your standard reply to everything: if you are shown to be in error on something, you don't want the person who did it to be able to post any more.

    Are you sure you aren't Donald Trump?
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    So if Art Spiegelman's depiction in Maus are anything to go by, frogs are French (not limited to Spiegelman, to be sure), and pigs are Poles.
    In that case, yeah, things work, but the children would probably of the dominant culture.
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    "Little green figs."