Progressive messaging in media.

This unfortunately is our media today wrapped up in a nutshell

Real shame that we're at the point where we can't all agree that stopping a guy murdering people is a good thing, damn

so here we have yet another example of you saying something borne of bigotry, having it shown how it's parroting some pretty nasty people, and then denying it while it's right there for the world to see.

have you no shame, or is it that you've got some sort of shame kink?

"call me a nazi fuck stick again Space.... oooh yeah, that's it.... now spit in my mouth."

D'ya suppose he ever runs into Storm at Humili-Con?

well, he won't be running into him at the Pantera reunion...


Pantera Dropped From Lineups of Two German Festivals
Organizers of Rock am Ring and Rock in the Park said the decision came after "intensive conversations" about hosting the band in Nuremberg, WWII site of Nazi Party rallies.

Pantera have been removed from the lineups of two major German rockfestivals. The organizers of Rock and Ring and Rock in the Park announced on Monday (Jan. 23) that the reunited thrash metal band will not be performing at this summer’s events after previously being announced alongside a lineup topped by Rise Against, Limp Bizkit, Kings of Leon, Die Toten Hosen, Bring Me the Horizon, Machine Gun Kelly, Yungblud, Evanescence and more.

“In the last few weeks, we have had many intensive conversations with artists, our partners and you, the festival fans, we have continued to deal with the criticism together and decided to remove the band from the program,” organizers wrote in a FB post about the decision. At press time a spokesperson for Pantera had not returned a request for comment and the festival’s organizers had not given any further information on why the band had been removed.



The reformed band’s new lineup — featuring original singer Phil Anselmo and longtime bassist Rex Brown joined by Anthrax drummer Charlie Benante and longtime Ozzy Osbourne guitarist Zakk Wylde — kicked off their first major tour in two decades in South American in December.

While organizers did not give a specific reason for their decision, speculation has centered on an incident from 2016 when Anselmo was filmed giving a nazi salute and shouting “white power” during a tribute to late Pantera guitarist Dimebag Darrell.

Shortly after, Anselmo issued an apology, in which he said, “I was at the Dimebash, and it was extremely late at night. There was heavy-duty talk between myself and those who love Dime. And heavy emotions were flowing, jokes were made backstage that transpired upon the stage, and it was ugly. It was uncalled for. And anyone who knows me and my true nature knows that I don’t believe in any of that; I don’t want to be part of any group. I’m an individual, and I am a thousand percent apologetic to anyone that took offense to what I said because you should have taken offense to what I said. And I am so sorry, and I hope you just … man, give me another chance to … just give me another chance.”

Both of the festivals take place in Nuremberg — the site of many Nazi rallies, including a 1934 one filmed by Leni Riefenstahl for the notorious party propaganda film Triumph of the Will — and Germany’s Stern magazine reported that there was pressure from the city’s Green Party city council representatives to remove the band from the lineup.



The “City of Peace and Human Rights” still struggles to outrun its National Socialist path more than 80s years after the fall of the Third Reich and a Green Party rep told Stern that Anselmo’s apology for his white power outburst was “not credible enough” and that hosting the band on the former Nazi Party rally grounds “clearly exceeds the limit of what is bearable.”

“We are relieved about the organizer’s decision not to offer the band Pantera a stage. Their singer Phil Anselmo had repeatedly attracted attention with anti-Semitic and racist incidents,” said the Party’s Réka Lörincz in a statement on the Green Party’s site. “Therefore, a performance was unimaginable for us – especially on the former Nazi party rally grounds.”



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Where have we heard that shit?

not to nitpick (but im gonna)... that was Phil, not me

I'm more of an individual within a couple different groups. Some of which I stand out in, others I'm just another bolt holding it all together.

excuse me; but have you ever heard of a little thing caleld the 2th commendment

Special treatment like being able to direct your own medical treatment without the government's obstruction?

Or the right to make choices regarding the medical and psychological care of your own child without having the government strip them from you and charge you with felony child abuse?

Like being denied the right to legally change your birth certificate while non-trans people can do it virtually at will?

Try paying attention to the world around you and you (maybe) won't say such goddamn stupid things (as much)

Undermining parents?
like Texas directing CPS to investigate parents raising happy trans kids for potential charges of felony child abuse and losing ALL their kids?

THAT kind of "undermining"?

Didn't think so.

Also, the only people "mutilating children" are the ones operating on intersex infants with ambiguous genitals to make the binary-conformative physically...and those who still get their sons circumcised.

Funny enough, all these bigots bills about trans-supportive health care have SPECIFIC carve-outs for those practices.

But other than those reactionary-right approved non-consensual surgeries on infants - literally NO ONE is "mutilating children" and that you even considered typing that phrase is a clear indication that you're a regular listener to reactionary right media, because they are the only ones who use that phrase.

Where's @Uncle Albert ?

having a deep, introspective moment wherein he realizes that he's failed to grow as a human being for the past 20 years and resolves to do better?

You mean elective procedures at taxpayer expense.

You mean getting dicks and tits chopped off of children unneccessarily, without anyone meddling.

Changing names is not the same as forcing legal recognition of wish magic.

Oh I pay attention. What I refuse to do is indulge your rationalizing. Adults can do as they please, but I draw the line at juveniles. They can't drink, smoke, drive, buy a gun or vote, but their minds are developed enough to consent to life-altering, elective procedures? Sell that bullshit to somebody else.

Where, outside of Matt Walsh's diseased mental organ, to borrow your parlance?

so amid all the other bloviations, the take away from uncle bad touch up there is that trans identities/acceptance are pretend?

that's gotta be the closest he's ever come to an affirmative position on something, so... progress?

Who decided the procedures were elective? The majority of trained, certified medical doctors around the world that treat transgender individuals on a daily basis? Or some right-wing blogger you listen to? Or did you decide all by yourself after twenty minutes on Youtube?

Republicans are also trying to ban hormone therapy. And puberty blockers. And social transitioning. And they're trying to ban those things for people well over the age of consent.

What a weird, cunty non sequitur. It's almost like your position here is emotional instead of logical or fact based.

Again, the laws Republicans are trying to pass don't just effect minors, they're targeting transgender people of all ages.

But speaking of life altering elective procedures, Republicans in Utah are pushing a bill that would block gender affirming surgeries for minors and ban doctors from providing puberty blockers (which remove the urgency for minors to have those surgeries in the first place). But you know what they're absolutely not going to ban? Breast implant surgeries for cis female minors. Every single Republican voted against an amendment to their bill that would ban elective breast implant surgeries for underage girls.

A perceptive individual would see something like that an conclude that this wave of anti-transgender bills isn't really about "the dangers of life altering elective procedures for children" if Republicans are insisting that minors still be allowed to get breast implant surgery, but I'm sure you'll come up with some way to rationalize it.

Remember when UA used to make fun of people who fell for the "think of the children!" line of shit, and he'd dismissively call kids "crotch fruit"?
Remember that?
When did he get so kid-concerned?
I bet it was round about oh, say, when trans right became a right-wing political football on Youtube.
I don't have access to the years he spent hiding in TrekBBS, but I bet the dates would line right up.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-endured-aged-15-child-protection-appeal.html

https://www.losangelesblade.com/202...s-teen-is-national-right-wing-medias-darling/

These are the people that FF and UA are getting their messaging from. They're useful idiots at best, complete regressive fucksticks at worst.

"Going where the consensus is"!?!?
But UA is a rebel!
UA can't be full of shit!
He says he isn't!

wow.. straight to the nazi comparisons for something that she and her family probably had to fight and pay top dollar for, rather than be "coerced" into.

that "mental health issues and family problems" bit also stands out. seems dubious the doctors involved would jump to recommending top surgery rather than it being requested. Quite the contrary, I'd suspect they only agreed to go that far as a compromise to full on GRS.

That lobster boy Jordy P is all over this likewise strains credibility.

Last I checked, Dr. Mengele didn't ask, he did.
It's like comparing open heart surgery to Mayan sacrifice.

Multi-fail!
a. The vast majority of gender-affirming surgery is private pay, some minority portion is insurance, a tiny portion of that is covered by Medicare.

b. No more or less elective than, say, knee replacement or back surgery. Anything that doesn't happen in the interest of saving your life - is considered elective.

c. I thought you were bitching about "mutilating" kids? Kids don't get GRS. At ANYONE'S expense.

Put the fucking goalposts back Atlas.

Again, slower for the profoundly fucking slow among us:
MINORS.
DO.
NOT.
GET.
GENITAL.
SURGERY.
FOR.
GENDER.
TRANSITION.
IN.
THIS.
COUNTRY.

Stop letting fascists make up bullshit for you to be mad about. You ought to have more self respect than to be so easily played.

It IS true that on average roughly 200 late-teen minors have some sort of breast surgery for gender affirmation each year. Thing is, some10-15 times that many NOT-trans teens have such surgeries every year and the reactionary lunatics never told you to go into a rage about THAT - did they?
Ask yourself why.

So why are the reactionary radicals trying to ban it? if it doesn't make a difference then they're just doing it for performative cruelty (which is basically your whole personality so I can see why you'd dig it)

Again, you might as well be mad at rapist leprechauns. On here ranting about shit that doesn't happen just makes you look like even more of an idiot than on your typical day.

Moreover, minors consent to medical procedure including surgeries ALL THE TIME. To repeat, cis kids get breast augmentation/reduction on the regular and you lot never say a mumbling word.

In Oregon, for example, the medical age of consent has been 14 for decades.

Also, laying aside your imaginary events, Yes, goddamn it, tens of millions of grown trans folks will tell you full well they knew exactly what their identity was long before puberty came around. No more than 2% of all people - of any age - who transition regret it and 82% of those say they regret it because bigoted assholes made it too hard to survive after transition (loss of family, loss of career, loss of home, loss of church community, public shaming, lack of access to health care, etc) so something less than .4% of all who transition go "Huh, ya know, I think I wasn't actually trans after all" and most of them are not post op.

So yeah, we know. Vast majority of us know pre-puberty. And we basically never change our minds.

And news flash, those of us who have actually, ya know, LIVED THE GODDAMNED THING, are better situated to speak to this topic than some internet rando who got a rage boner watching Matt Walsh.

So neither you, nor he, nor the rest of the bigoted crowd, have any ethical claim to be heard on the subject. You speak from the complete absence of knowledge even on the most openly publicly available facts, let alone personal knowledge experience or training. I can't make you stop being a moron but I can bluntly point out as the occasion arises - you're a goddamned moron.

Yup.

It was ever thus.

It wasn't really about restrooms or women's safety therein
It wasn't REALLY about fairness in women's sports
It's not REALLY about medical treatment for minors.

It's about elimination. Period. And Schilling is not the first to feel his oats and crow about it in public.

FRC published a white paper by Peter Sprigg several years ago that laid out their political goals re trans people. Taken together they can be summarized as "Eliminated from public life."

Great. Consenting adults paying their own bills, and I have no problem.

This is where you shamelessly compare yourselves to burn victims and people who survive car accidents. No, a sex change in no GODDAMN way compares to fixing an injury.

Are you splitting hairs, here? 17 year olds are still kids.

Oh, there it is. So your argument is "It's just tits, and rich debutantes do it, too!"

Still no. To all of it.

You would have to ask "them." My reason is I will not be forced to affirm something I do not believe.

No elective medical procedures of any kind performed on juveniles to "affirm their gender"? None at all? Bullshit.

I'm not answering for anyone else. My personal opinion is that juveniles should not be getting cosmetic surgery. And fuck off with that "cis" horseshit.

Oh, here we fucking go.

None of that changes the physical mechanics of what you are defending. Your feelings do not dictate reality.

I neither know nor care who Matt Walsh is.

You are arguing that someone mutilating themself and becoming a life-long pharmaceutical customer based on a feeling, is vital to their mental health. You don't get to lecture me about rational thought.

The competent medical professional who assesses it as not vital to survival.

Mental and physical health should not be conflated, and a person holding the position of "give me this treatment or I will kill myself" is not rational enough to make life-altering decisions concerning medical procedures.

It is responsive to the actual reality of that angle. Nobody cares what you call yourself, and if you're not an entitled, self-obsessed fucking narcissist you don't require anyone else to validate your "identity."

And I think I've been pretty clear that consenting adults should do as they please on their own time and their own dime.

I disagree with them there.

I don't answer for republicans, or anyone else other than myself. I'm also not accepting responsibility for the welfare of everyone's fucking offspring. I am saying, regardless of how they FEEEEEEEL, juveniles lack the mental capacity to give informed consent on these matters. This is the same reason sexual contact with minors is illegal. This doesn't become a special subject that is immune to these considerations. In the universe where my permission is required for any of this, you would make these choices as an adult and accept the compromises this implies.

^^^

tell me you didn't complete tenth grade without saying you didn't complete tenth grade