Question about HIllary, Trump, and Putin's motives.

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  1. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    What the hell are you talking about?
  2. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Some of the things I've come across:
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/year-the-life-donald-trump-and-vladimir-putin

    a few days before the election
    There's a lot in here about Trump associates and advisors having close interactions with Moscow, plus a great deal of background

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...a-hillary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895

    From August
    a lot here about the web of shells and subsidiaries that funnel Russian money to Trump
    http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

    This is from Mother Jones which is very liberal but...




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    There's a good bit more floating around, stuff that seemed random and disconnected before(like that time Monica Crowley tweeted in the summer that since the State Dpt would not release Clinton Foundation e-mails "I guess Putin will have to do it" which reads mostly as a joke but there are enough of them that it makes you wonder how much Trump's circle really knew) that journalists are beginning to thread together...for example:

    Don't know who wrote these, but it's an example of that piecing together I mean. We don't know yet how many of the intricacies will prove out to be something legit and how much is just speculation.
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    And that's not counting raw speculation that begins to make more sense. For one example, did Trump say so much about not accepting the results of a "rigged election" to paint Democrats into a corner so that they are obliged by their own words to accept him when this came out?

    This turned out to be a rather scattershot post as I was just going through some bookmarks and a couple of Twitter feeds and picking up stuff I'd seen. but the point is that Trump is almost like a DDOS attack on the media - throw so very much bullshit into the system that no one can process enough of it to pin him down on anything.
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  3. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Except it's not as it's been portrayed to you. The ONLY e-mail violation that's been established was admittedly perpetrated by a staffer who got immunity - he was supposed to have deleted a pile of e-mails that she was legally entitled to delete but he neglected to do so until after Congress asked for them (which then made it improper to delete them but he rushed to resolve his mistake and delete them anyway). On Clinton's part, she was legally entitled to decide which e-mails were private, personal or irrelevant and delete them. There's no proof that she "mishandled" those.

    By comparison, after Trump bashed her about unsecure connections and potentially compromised information for a year, he appoints as his National Security Advisor a man who deliberately used unsecured internet connections against Pentagon policy and deliberately revealed classified information to Pakistan which got him a reprimand from his superiors - so exactly how interested is Trump in the security of classified material after all? How interested are his supporters? Or is just that a carefully cultivated decades long bullshit campaign has so thoroughly indoctrinated them that they dislike Clinton even more than they dislike Putin (which they do)?

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  4. Tererune

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    She would have probably been able to overcome that had she not played dirty in the primaries with Bernie.