Reported Post by Ancalagon

Ancalagon has reported a post.

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Post: Ban me...I don't care!!
Forum: The Red Room
Assigned Moderators: N/A

Posted by: Lt. Mewa
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After he was specifically warned not to misuse the Report Post to make false claims of personal info release, Anc goes right ahead and does it.

Banned for 8 days.

Looking at the rules, I don't see "crying wolf" to be a bannable or even warnable offense. Is it annoying? Sure. Is it the first time this has happened? No, not even close. Hell, apostle does it like every other week.

I cannot think of any precedent for this.

There's precedent now.

In any event, I told him not to do it and he crossed me. There had to be a consequence.

The rules are never going to cover all eventualities. I've applied reasonable judgment and, though gul, Chad, Faceman, Mewa, and (presumably) Anc are a little butthurt over it, there doesn't seem to be any developing

As I stated in several other places, WE (the staff) must take claims of personal info release seriously. It's not like a flame or a troll that I can get back to in a few hours and, if need be, issue a warning.

With personal information, every second the info is out there is damaging to someone. We have to respond right away. I don't think it's right someone should be able to take advantage of that to tie up our bandwidth.

I'm content to let Lanz rule on it later. Whatever decision he comes to will be fine with me. I've made the point.

Do you have any idea how thuggish that sounds? Christ, if I tried to pull something like that people would burn the board to the ground and piss on the ashes.

I would not act in such a heavy-handed way unless I believed the situation warranted it.

It should be noted that, thus far, no one else has falsified a report of personal information release.

Gosh, Nick, thanks for the support:

http://www.wordforge.net/showpost.php?p=2402850&postcount=6

You're actually going to inflame a situation that was under control by getting us into a Mom vs. Dad fight in public.

I don't know if you get the emails for reported posts, but I've seen plenty of people crying wolf.

As for specific incidents of falsifying a report of personal information release.

http://www.wordforge.net/showthread.php?t=89598

You know I'm not a member of the staff anymore right? I stepped down like a week and a half ago.

You're HERE, aren't you? You're talking to me in the SHELTER, aren't you? Maybe you have no mod powers(?), but clearly you're still a little more than a regular member.

Anyway, I don't begrudge you your position. But the rules are never going to cover every eventuality. They're like the law: they have to evolve with the times.

I'm going to propose a new rule about interfering with the operation of the board that will cover cases such as this.

And that's fine if you want to propose a new rule, and the staff agree to it, but at the moment you've banned someone basically because you told them not to do something that isn't currently against the rules and they did it anyways. And if that's the way this board is going to operate going forward, where individual mods have the power to set rules and ban people for breaking them, then I want no part of it, and I suspect many others here would share that sentiment.

This was way too heavy handed. A warning at most would be justified.

Paladin...what the hell?

Even I don't make up new rules on the fly! You can't just decide there is a new rule and ban people for it without Lanzman's knowledge and approval.

I know they do frustrating shit...it's our job to take it. And dude, we don't have so much to do here that quickly checking a link should be a hardship. Even ten links.

Frankly, I think you should willingly undo the ban and apologize...I know the idea hurts, but this was major over-stepping and is heading for turning into a shitstorm. We can discuss the idea of making this into an official rule when Lanzman is availible. I certainly don't want to make a spectacle of over-ruling you, but Anc's banning is unfair and pretty harsh by our standards and it's for NOT revealing real personal information. It would be much better if you gracefully handle it.

When you said it earlier, I thought it was just a threat you were using...if I had thought you would seriously make up a new rule and implement it on the fly I would have discouraged you earlier.

Yup, undo it and do it now.

Well, he made a post and I asked him to come to the shelter in a rep comment so he would get it immediately and it seems he left instead and hasn't come back for 20 mins.

I was hoping he would handle this on his own, but I'm not comfortable with leaving someone banned under these circumstances so I am going to go unban Ancalagon now.

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The retardation continues.

Okay, so Ancalagon is no longer banned, and the remaining issue is his being banned in the first place.

He was banned for ignoring multiple warnings about falsely reporting violations of member privacy. A judgment call was made, and that call was overruled/reversed/whatever. I understand and agree with both calls respectively.

There is no need to pile on. No need to add another rule either.

I disagree on two points. First, insincere apologies disrespect all parties involved. Secondly, this isn't turning into a shitstorm.

Paladin does a fine job, heck I think he's won every Forgie for best mod. Not saying he deserved it, but still.

I think the membership (yes that includes us) will see this instance for what it really is, a drama hiccup between two long term members.

Well, unbanning Ancalagon pretty much stopped the brewing shitstorm.

I just wanted to give him the chance to reverse it since he was online at the time...but he went offline instead. And as I said above, I wasn't comfortable leaving Anc banned in this case.

And yeah, insincere apologies don't mean anything. I guess I was kind of hoping after calming down, he might regret going overboard.

Fair point. And I agree with your unbanning of Ancalagon.

You made a judgment call, and I agree with it.

I'm hoping we don't go overboard on chastising Paladin.

Agreed.

I have been trying to encourage letting it go.

But there are a few people here who want complete staff change just to have staff change regardless of how well anyone does their job and will jump on any excuse to rally for firings and resignations.

I have absolutely no intention of apologizing to Anc. Whether there's a rule or not, it's just common decency not to make people come running for false screams of "Fire!"

Some people seem to think that anything not explicitly prohibited is fine and dandy. My view is that anything not explicitly prohibited is subject to common sense and moral constraint. Does anyone REALLY want to defend false reporting of personal information release? Does anyone REALLY want more false reports to occur?

I told Anc (and everyone else in the thread) in no uncertain terms not to abuse the Report Post feature with claims of personal information release. And what does he do? IMMEDIATELY he does the very thing he was asked not to.

Yep, the rules do allow for discretion, judgment calls.

Nobody wants false reporting of any kind, not even the ones intended to be funny.

As everybody on staff knows, we're usually on our own, and that's a good thing, it works for Wordforge. You managed the situation as you saw fit. Others disagreed. Wordforge rolls on.

You don't have to.

It was just a suggestion at the time with the aim of calming the waters.