SeaWorld to End Famed Orca Show on Sunday

I'm not a liberal, you colossal retard.

Neither is Dinner, for what it's worth.

Cruelty that is less cruel than the alternative obviously.

You'll excuse me if I don't thrown in a personal insult at you Anna as you would no doubt do for my posts.

They communicate, have social structures, are capable of a full range of emotion including empathy and altruism. While not identical to humans, they're undeniably comparable.

So do cattle.

Want to give up hamburger and steak?

On that note, my sister adopted a rescue dog a few years back. He'd been starved and chained to a stake outside.
five years later, with a football field sized yard, this dog still obsessively paces in 8' circles. Smae as indoors, despite all the attempts at training it out of him, the results of his canine PTSD are permanent.

We've only started to comprehend and accept the intelligence capacities of animals who we've taken for granted for centuries. There's a lt more in their minds than we give credence to.

hardly... spaying and neutering is widely accepted as being in a domesticated animals health interests.

I'm kinda surprised you didn't go with bees for your false analogy, but I'll play.

I have that conversation with myself sometimes... but no, I can live with food animals being used as food. Especially if it's free ranged and "ethically" sourced. Fortunately, I have that available here.

I'm not so sure about keeping whales living in semi solitary confinement cells for decades for no other purpose than to bounce balls through hoops. Can't quite see the benefits...

These animals are not intellegent?

http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/untamed-uncut/videos/killer-whales-attack-a-seal/

Theres a better demonstration of the above in one of Attenboroughs documentaries from a couple of years ago but i cant find it, but heres the write up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ear...ller-whales-hunt-seals-by-creating-waves.html


The Orca show at seaworld has had its time. Big 80's draw but really it should have went before now.

why is that dumb, Dinner?
science touch you in your special place or something?

I've been to the orca shows on two different occasions. The first time was enough to learn you don't sit in the first few rows unless you want to be drenched with ice cold water.
IMO the best "live animal entertainment" shows use cats almost exclusively. I've been to these show before and they are great - and you won't get splashed.

"free range" animals are still in captivity.

Just a bigger "cage".

One could make a strong argument that the whole "free range" thing is more about making people feel better than the animals.

He's handicapped.

Claiming animals are equal to humans intellectually is demonstrably untrue and usually the result of projection on the part of tge person trying to anthropromorphize them.

I'm watching a NAT GEO show about gambling. Now they are showing the underground "dog fighting" world.
My hate for these pieces-of-shit is bottomless. In a perfect world (if I were king for a day) everyone involved in making dogs fight should themselves be forced to fight - to the death - and I pick their opponents.
And this guy really really loves dogs.

Anyone who can train a cat to do anything (we can start with not kicking the litter out of the litterbox, then graduate to not barfing on the carpet) has my utmost respect.

I wouldn't say "equal," but I do acknowledge that, much like Spaceturkey said earlier, that are more complex than we give them credit for.

We didn't know what we do now about whales and dolphins, to whom India has given non-human person status to, below cattle and two spots above women:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...lphins-Non-Human-Persons-Dolphin-shows-BANNED

In fact, orcas are now classified as a species dolphin and not a whale, as they are capable of producing sonar sounds and chewing with actual teeth (whales are not able to do either). We've known for a long while how intelligent they are, and it stands to reason the orcas are similarly intelligent.

I never said "equal".
Matter of fact I was quite specific that they weren't, especially in regard to intellectual capacity.
what I did say was that many (inferred, obviously) animals have qualities individually and as species comparable (again, distinctly not equivalent to) humans, listing several which have been scientifically documented over decades of study by zoologists and other animal behaviorists.
So, as is often the case, you're attacking something that was never said.