Shooting at Florida high school

No. Who the hell is saying that?

But interesting that you immediately go on the defensive.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/04/20/columbine-national-school-walkout

Triggered by teens

Just for a moment, I'd like you to imagine what would happen if somebody said "People are worried about dying in a terrorist attack. They shouldn't be," followed by discussing the minute odds of getting killed in a 9/11-style attack, in late 2001 or early 2002.

Whoever wrote it would be fired, their career derailed if not destroyed, and the shrieks and howls of outrage would echo for weeks -- most of them coming from the very same people who like to invoke that argument when the deaths come at the hands of white guys using The Almighty Gun.

How about 2003?

I'm no fan of Michael Moore, but damn, @T.R you must have spent the entire day digging up that 18-second out-of-context quote.

You'll now tell us what you perceive has been the terrorist threat in the 13-year interim as compared to the number of those murdered by White Boyz with Gunz.

Go on. You can do it.

gun homicide is tragic no matter who pulls the trigger, but statistically Black Boyz with Gunz kill far more people on a per capita basis.
Reasons, reasons, reasons yes I know but one group is the bigger threat, though both threats are not even close to the fatality of obesity, heart disease, traffic accidents, etc. Just sayin'

I may have said this before, but if you White Boyz with Gunz who, in your case because you don't even own gunz, but you immediately run into defend them every damn time, went out of your way to control your brethren, then law enforcement can concentrate more of their resources on People Who Ain't White and Got Gunz. So stop yammering and get on that.

B-b-but Chicago! doesn't cut it anymore.

Get on the stick.

I don't defend white people who commit gun crimes. Please feel free to dig up any threads where I did. And why is it my responsibility to control my "brethren" if I have no control over other gun owners and no influence over them? Bottom line white people who commit gun crimes are not my brethren so how is their behavior my concern? And please connect the dots (in a way that would convince anybody but yourself) on how investigating white gun crime significantly pulls resources away from investigating black gun crimes, if such detailed data is tracked. Thanks in advance!

Get back to me when you're able to admit that criminals who kill with guns - regardless of color, regardless of whether they're in Chicago or around the corner from you - need to be stopped, and people who are wedded to the Second Amendment are more responsible for the rest of us who don't own guns and never will to contain those criminals.

Until then, you doth protenth too much.

I really do not follow your reasoning there.

I'd be amazed if you did.

Not an answer garamet. I am genuinely interested in what you are saying.

And I rarely say that and actually mean it.

you and me both. But I'll take a shot at it (no pun intended):

believing in the Second Amendment means you have magical powers to stop gun crimes. People that own guns can (I guess) influence other gun owners they will never meet to never commit crimes with their guns. Or maybe responsible gun owners should just put a gun to the heads of the people who put guns to other people's heads and force them to comply. That would be quite the catch-22 irony meter overload! Maybe all gun owners have a deep psychic connection with each other, and if all the good gun owners focus their thinking they can make the bad gun owners think "happy thoughts" and walk the straight-and-narrow.

Am I in the ballpark Garamet? Please explain your master plan for us guntards!

“No, no, you don’t say that part, cackle, cackle, cackle.”

Bonus points if anyone knows the reference.

And you love and respect Michael Moore for saying that, right?

This kind of says it all about the relative dangers to students.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...ol-walkout/ar-AAwbXYm?ocid=spartandhp&ffid=gz

Boycotts work.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/01/business/vista-outdoor-firearms.html

I know. Every day across the US kids are killed in vehicle mishaps. Quite a few die of drug overdoses too. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. But if you aren't outraged by gun deaths more than any other cause of death you are by default a guntard/nazi/bully/heartless/etc.

Maybe if I post this every time you make that speech it might finally sink in:

Kids and Guns: Shootings Now Third Leading Cause of Death for U.S. Children


What you're saying is "Kids are gonna die anyway! Why focus on guns???" when the logical response is "Let's reduce the number of gun deaths so we can concentrate our energies and resources on motor vehicle accidents and drug overdoses."

And the hits keep on coming.
https://reason.com/blog/2018/06/26/parkland-security-guard-andrew-medina

The thot plickens!

So the lesson is, if you're harassed by someone who you have the least bit microscopic speck of a vibe that they're violent, buy a gun and blow the fucker's head off right away.
You'll be in jail, but you'll fucking be alive.

Jayzus, WTF?

Dude got life in prison, I absolutely can understand how survivors want the death penalty in such cases. It's not like there's any question that dude did it. So what was the threat and why?

One of the arguments death penalty advocates use is the claim that the death penalty provides "closure". I would argue that given the length of time between the sentencing and the carrying out of the sentence that it instead adds to uncertainty and lengthens the time it takes for anyone to put the crime behind them. Impose life without parole and that's the end of that part of the story, until the perp dies or is killed by fellow inmates (which might happen more quickly than being executed). The real problem is that some crimes are so horrifyingly awful that it's beyond the reach of a courtroom to heal.

BARTLET What happened to the guy who shot your mother?
CHARLIE They haven’t found him yet sir.
BARTLET If they did, would you wanna see him executed? Charlie just looks at him.
BARTLET Killing a police officer’s a capital crime. I figured you must have thought about it.
CHARLIE Yes sir.
BARTLET And? CHARLIE I wouldn’t want to see him executed, Mr. President --
Bartlet nods.
CHARLIE -- I’d wanna do it myself.

There is no doubt that this dude is guilty, which is suppose to be the standard we use in a trial. The problem is, having actually seen juries in action and the findings of the innocence project, there is no way I can trust the death penalty. Put this slime ball in the most uncomfortable cell, have him pound rocks and feed him PB and Js for the rest of his life.