So, let me get this straight....

....Trump's VP is an anti woman anti LGBT bigot that supports conversion therapy, and the Republican party wants to get rid of the laws that penalize religious charities that make political donations, wants to make The Bible a secular document taught in history classes, wants to repeal gay marriage, and, like Pence, also wants to keep conversion therapy around.

...meanwhile, secular/atheist Republicans and Bernie-or-busters can't hold their nose for Hillary....because she might be a bit of a bitch.

Just checking.....

It may in fact be desirable to support Clinton as "the lesser of two evils", but this is a ridiculous strawman.

Yeah, because she's been as mendaciously evil as Mike Pence.
Gosh, it's it's just such a complicated choice, we gotta get the slide rules out here.....

Just because you oppose giving rights to sexual deviants doesn't make you a "bigot".

And the Bible has been a part of history classes since I can remember to this day. As well as the Koran, Torah, et cetera.

Are gay relationships between consenting adults? Check.
Are they any of your business? Nope. Check.

How about pedophelia?
Opposite of both of those, and therefore demonstrably harmful?
You don't say.

So, all "deviancy", isn't created equal, so it's not a useful term.
Except for deliberate dishonesty.

Ah, but lying for Jesus is okay.
Right?

Trump got a Nazi salute from Laura Ingraham last night... They've gone to Ludicrous ludicrosity.

I'm not convinced Hillary would be any better as President than Trump is, which is why I'm not voting for either.

Wrong.

Why can we even consider voting for Gary Johnson?

Even if his support gets up to 15 percent and the networks are forced to give him air time at the national debates and distract from the shit slinging that will certainly happen the minute Trump opens his mouth, I'd consider that progress.

A more serious view point is they do not feel Hillary has earned their vote, that instead she and the party elites take them for granted, and secretly despise them. No one owes anyone their vote and if someone decides to vote third party it is not their fault if a different candidate wins as the other candidates never bothered to earn their votes.

That was true in 2000 and it is true today.

Let me guess, you get your news from your Facebook feed and never question it? You remind me of my grandparents back in the 1990's when they would forward chain emails.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.mark...-96A8-8A766FD6A721?client=ms-android-verizon#

Nothing says there have to be debates you know

Did Mike Pence violate the espionage act?

Right, it was the beginning of a wave. Christie's witch-hunt speech was the beginning of a stroke, I assume? Carson's spiel about Hilary acknowledging the power of Satan was just the warm-up to a rendition of the Vagina Monologues?

My answer to both Dinner and Anna is, the third world shithole Britain is about to turn into.

Mike Pence has never been in possession of any intelligence, classified or not.

What's your point?

Why you gotta hurt me, D?

If Johnson was polling 15%, it would make no sense for Trump or Clinton to give him even more exposure by agreeing to debates.

So, what's the other option? Electing a clown or a crook?

If everyone that was sick of the two party system voted for Johnson, he'd have a good shot of winning this cycle.

But I live in a state where I could afford to stay home. Hilary's gonna win California. That's the other part of the problem: only five states determine who gets elected, for all practical purposes. California has significant pockets of red territory, but the volume of big cities means all 55 votes go to the Democratic nominee. I imagine there's a similar situation in Texas.

And why would they decide this?

If the media can make a buck by having a true novelty candidate on the stage and get more views, they will damn well push for that. Why do you think Trump has gotten a disproportionate amount of air time versus every other candidate this year, including the Dems?

En CA, perhaps, but it's worth remembering that Nader voters en NH gave Bush the White House.

Did Mike Pence make speeches to Wall St. and refuses to release them?

Well, when the clown comes out and says he's going to hand out poison cotton candy to immigrants and gays.....

I'm aware of that.

And while initially I was pissed that Bush was given the Presidency despite having 500k fewer popular votes than Al Gore, Dinner has a point that if these candidates haven't earned the vote, we shouldn't give it to them just to keep the other guy out.

It'll be a hard four years if Trump wins, but maybe it'll wake some more people up to push for electoral vote changes and to seriously support third party candidates that align more closely to their own beliefs.

Yeah, that totally worked when Bush won due to protest votes from people who didn't think Al Gore was an environmentalist.

If the difference between her and Mike Pence were so clearcut, you wouldn't need to lie about it. She's an unscrupulous, opportunist corporate shill. Tell it like it is.

Yeah, keep playing their fixed game - that'll make things better.

But she wouldn't be mendaciously evil to minorities.
Pence is a Nazi, and Trump would let him run things the way Bush handed it off to Cheny.
If you think "shill", is worse than Nazi, you're mentally ill.

I'd be lying if I said I hadn't thought of that and sadly assassination would only put an even worst assnugget as leader of the free world.

But if not now, when? I don't see the Bernie or Bust lot tossing their hats into Trump's ring, nor the traditionalists jumping ship to support Hilary.

Gary Johnson and any other future 3rd party candidate would be wise to take cues from Obama's campaign. He got out there and got his people on the ground, reaching out to communities that didn't receive much attention. They helped to show people how to register to vote and offered rides to help people get ID.

There's potential to break the system gridlock.