some grapes of wrath shit, right here...

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  1. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    dude, you wouldn't be able to come to my community. there are multiple public schools all within a 300m radius.
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  2. Uncle Albert

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    People are not the same everywhere, and aren't identical to others. I bet you'd change your tune if you were financially liable for all of the surrounding properties.
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    I've actually left my home and interacted with homeless people in public. I've been harassed, had people try to rob me or follow me into my building. I've had shit stolen and so have neighbors. I'm not putting up with that to emulate spacetard's perfomative sainthood act.
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  4. Uncle Albert

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    I do both, actually. And many other processes.

    And no, I don't hide in addiction when life gets hard. That's YOUR wheel house.
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  5. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    financially liable for what? we're talking about the cause and perpetrators, not the nature of property crimes. As it is, Toronto has some irritating bylaws about cleaning graffit up and an owner's liability to that. As a tenant and a member of the board that owns this building , I technically am obligated to that sort of thing.

    and no, i never said people were the same. but you still haven't really offered anything besides your disdain as evidence that the unhoused are anything other than an eyesore to presumably decent white americans like yourself. well, that and the fact it's a pretty safe bet that under similar conditions differing groups will act similarly. If you have homeless camps and they're getting attended to by outreach workers, odds are they're fairly self contained and evne somewhat self policing... people don't worry about a bad apple or two in a police department, but one trouble maker in a cmp brings way too many people with attitudes like your's who do matter.

    is there a major crime epidemic in your town? is there a housing crisis?

    see, we have the latter, but not so much the former... and definitely not much of a cause/effect between the two.
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  6. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    so still nothing that can't be replaced by a more efficient robot.

    I was referring to being unable to afford rent, as not all or even most of the people we serve are addicts. Not sure why you react with a tu quoque like that about "hiding" in addictions (literally impossible within the definition of the word, but...), but jsut for the record I smoke a lot of really good weed, sure. and admittedly used to enjoy an occasional bit of marching powder when I was running an after hours bar.. but man, I barely even drink. Like, the last leftover beer in my fridge from NYE finally got consumed last week when I did a roast in the crock pot.

    Point is, how long could you go without an income? a month? two?

    see, these are narrow anecdotes.

    although all they really tell us is that the american mental health system is garbage. how is it that I can live 200m from CAMH (Centre for Addiction and Mental Health) and not have these problems?
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  7. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    performative sainthood. a day in the life of spaceturkey (because fuck your ableism in insults).

    0600 wake up, shower, shit, smoke, smell for clean shirt

    0700 $3 coffee across the street, because we need something good in life. mine is really good coffee made by overly pleasant Japanese women.

    0710 arrive at work and set up drop in

    0730 till 1200 crowd control, checking for cardiac distress on nappers, diffusing altercations before they start, getting people fed, maybe help prepare outreach packs (snacks, hygiene supplies, and yes safe drug use stuff like crack stems and shooting kits), occasional reports, but mostly just being around to listen and treat people with some dignity.

    1230 on, some days I'll grab some of the outreach supplies because I'm planning on heading to the park. Almost always carry a couple narcans because ya never know when you'll need them.

    In any event, my day is usually done by about 2.

    Otherwise, yeah, intermittent things like having to talk to my city council member or MPP (shall they be up for sainthood too? they're both far more effective than me), or attending zoom meetings/seminars about potential non profit housing projects...

    You're really grasping here, ain't ya Al? you try to rip on folks for being useless or without value, then when you get shown how what they do is far more valuable than your spiteful existence you go for the character assassination... and not even very well. "Look at this asshole, helping other people and getting paid... how pretentious!!".
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    For any damage or loss of person or property caused by the transients you are inviting into a hypothetical neighborhood. If you believe it won't happen, this shouldn't worry you.

    IF if if if.

    If someone doesn't hand them free shit, they will steal. Not from evil billionaires, but from working people in the area.
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    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    gotcha... it's my "invitation" to the homeless and impoverished alone responsible for crimes they don't tend to be responsible for.

    only if in there is whether or not they actually exist in any notable way around you... either that or you're stuck on stupid and sputtering?

    like... are there a lot of homeless allegedly accosting you or trying to mug you as you claim? or is it just one guy in your imagination?
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    No, but you could be replaced by a puke bucket and a couple self-help pamphlets, so climb down off the fucking high horse.

    Yes, yes. I'm sure they are all helpless victims of unforseeable circumstance, who would never rationalize taking from others.

    I am prepared for a longer job hunt than that. I live below my means, and think more than five minutes ahead.

    It's not my problem to fix, or my consequences to face. I still expect to be secure of person and property.
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    Quite the work ethic you have there. No wonder you think everyone is one bad day away from homelessness.

    No, I'm sure you repeatedly describe your roles here for reasons other than self-aggrandizement.

    If you weren't pretentious, you wouldn't climb up on the cross with a bullhorn over it.
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    like... are there a lot of homeless allegedly accostin
    sad... you don't even know your own job well enough to know how it can be done better.

    no, I really can't be. Quite the contrary, I was asked to apply for this job. that you think it's that easy only reveals how soft a life you've lived

    not even sure what the hell that's supposed to mean? but figuring about half of the clientele are senior citizens who's pensions are outstripped by inflation and a million other 'global' factors. although unsurprising that once again you ascribe need to malfeasance.

    keep deluding yourself that you are that prepared. I'd tend to doubt it... it's adorable that you think you somehow excel beyond others in this regard.
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    Which is it? Can I shoot thieves, because you know none of them will be your homeless buddies, or am I expected to tolerate some level of theft for the greater good?

    Not presently, no, and I'd like to keep it that way. Otherwise I'd still be living downtown.
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    na... only to repeatedly shut down your empty accusations of aggrandizement. pretty sure I've repeatedly pointed out that I'm one of the most basic, fungible cogs in the place. try again

    it ain't me who thinks that. rather it's pretty much common for anyone who doesn't own their own home as a line of credit.
  15. Spaceturkey

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    prove to me it's the homeless and not jsut the first random person, and sure... murder away. that's on you.
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    I mean, seriously.. "I mop up puke" is very self aggrandizing :garamet:
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    Oh, I know it pretty well, and the people who sign my paychecks agree. Once in a while you find an employer who still values the concept of merit.

    Jesus fucking christ. :bang: I'm saying most of these catastrophes can be anticipated, and people just tend to prioritize immediate gratification over preparing for the absolute worst.

    There you go. Gambling on pensions and nothing else. Failure to prepare. If I were in their shoes, that's exactly how I'd see it.

    Not at all. I fall well short of any ideal, and even if I didn't there are no guarantees. But that's no excuse not to make the effort.
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    Not murder. Defense. We defend what's ours here.
  19. Spaceturkey

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    amazing how well you know human behavior... you should do my job... likely even be one of the dozen or so people I answer to.

    also adorable how you think being able to load a machine and push a button is merit... what''s the compensation like in case/when you get injured or simply age out? hope you have something besides a pension you spent your life paying into...

    so you're somehow prepared against all the catastrophes that can affect everyone... and make a superior effort.

    aren't you just special and unique... at least in your delusions.


    That's okay though... there'll be lots of folks like me willing to feed you and help you navigate the labyrinth of social assistance programs when you eventually do need us.
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    even if it's the easiest rather than the most accurate target, apparently.

    blame the homeless guy... any homeless guy.
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    I know people are garbage, and will generally do whatever they think they can get away with.

    This is where I might prove you wrong by detailing a full day's work schedule, if I were a narcissistic attention whore with delusions of sainthood.

    I do. Thanks for the sincere, heartfelt concern.

    No, I prioritize some effort in that direction over immediate gratification. There are no guarantees.

    Nope. Mundane rise-and-grind work mule who pulls his weight and takes responsibility for his choices.

    Won't happen. If I can't support myself and I deplete all my myriad fallback plans, I'll just walk out into the woods and die.
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    Sorry, but I don't feel like biting his shiny metal ass. :bigass:
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    A hypothesis that's proven non-falsifiable under all forms of scrutiny.
    But hey, you do you, "individualist".
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    I've lived in San Diego East Village near the train line and the only damage I ever had to my apartment was from a recently evicted tenant who was having a manic episode.

    The only guy in four years that I thought might be violent enough to fight straighten up real quick when my dog started going for ankles :shrug:

    I'm not going to say all homeless people are saints but the dangers are highly exaggerated. :shrug:
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    Robot Chicken?
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    Shit must have been going south for your dog to get to that point, damn. Sweetest dog ever!
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  27. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    I somehow doubt most of this, but I'm certain you believe it.

    best of luck.
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    anyways, this kinda brings us back to the point that homelessness is growing (up 16% in the past two years in the USA) and home ownership as a goal on a decline as home prices have tripled in the past 15 years.

    Likewise, UA has done us the pleasure of proving my initial assertion that he has a final solution involving cattle cars, but until America's railroads are in working condition, it might not be feasible...
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    a few years ago I ran into one of the local lost cases on the subway.
    typical "crazy homeless guy", fidgeting and talking to himself excitedly, maybe the occasional twitch or spasm. the type of guy that has UA stroking the gun in his coat because he's scary to them by acting so agitated.

    as mentioned, I knew who he was and his name because he's regular around my 'hood. And that's all it took, was getting close enough to address him by name and ask "how's it going?".

    another time on transit, and a similar situation with a woman who I sometimes see around the area. Her behaviour was getting intense enough to make the normies nervous... solution? "wanna play "I spy?"...

    people who have always had security in life are pretty sadistic.
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