Something a bit more localized

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Uncle Albert, Aug 13, 2013.

  1. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Sure.

    It would still be illegal to medicate someone without their consent. And, since I would have most drug offenses de-criminalized, I'd have lots of extra prison space for someone who does so.

    Do you have a problem with someone buying peppermint schnapps? They might be doing so only in the hope of getting some girl liquored up...
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Who is to say the state can determine whether somebody will handle it safely. You seem to have a fairly arbitrary set of standards about this stuff.
  3. Uncle Albert

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    The conditions for "handling it safely" pretty much rule out the everyday jackoff from around the corner. Presumably well outside of any populated area, definitely in a special, expensive facility. If you can manage that, knock yourself out.

    Incidentally, this also applies when some smarmy asstard trots out "Either you support gun control or you support private ownership of nuclear weapons. :hurr: "
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    The objective fact is: anthrax is a dangerous substance that must be handled, stored, etc. competently, otherwise it could threaten the lives/health of hundreds or thousands of people. As such, the state has a legitimate interest in regulating it.

    As a libertarian--NOT an anarchist--I have no problem with the state's involvement in protecting the rights of individuals. In fact, I insist upon it. And, in the case of anthrax, some fairly hefty regulatory requirements are not unreasonable to protect the rights of individuals who could otherwise be very seriously harmed or killed.

    But what about heroin? If you misuse that, are thousands of people going to die? No. Pretty much just you. So, other than the state requiring the consumer to be informed--"WARNING! This product is highly addictive and its usage can lead to profound illness or death."--I see no need for greater intereference. (I have no problem with requiring information since selling someone a product without informing them of significant, likely downsides of its use would constitute fraud.)
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    Bolded. Really?

    Accidental or incompetent usage of a gun has the potential to harm, at most, a very small number of people. You don't accidentally fire a gun and kill 1000 people. But you could accidentally release anthrax and do that.

    Even deliberate misuse of a gun is not going to result in hundreds of deaths. The most extreme mass shooting event so far--carried out by a determined attacker against youths isolated in unusual circumstances (on an island in Norway)--didn't score that high (69 shooting deaths). And, of course, it must also be considered that others possessing guns stand a good chance of cutting such a rampage short.

    Finally, there's the pesky Constitutional matter. You do have an individual right to own a gun suitable for self-defense, to keep it ready in your house, to carry it with you, and to use it for your own defense or the defense of others. :shrug:
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    Oh come off it, you condescending prick. It might be true that Natives have a genetic predisposition to alcoholism, but it's still a giant, racist assumption to say all Natives are alcoholics. And that's saying nothing of the comparison of selling booze to the actual crimes against humanity committed against my Native ancestors in the 19th and even into the 20th century. Why not compare selling booze to an alcoholic to the Holocaust if the alcoholic happens to be Jewish while you're at it? :rolleyes: Ah, yes, an alcoholic having the choice and freedom to purchase alcohol is totally like a concerted effort to hunt people down and kill them, or to force them to live on shitty land in shitty conditions so you can steal the natural resources, or screwing them out of treaties their people made with you in good faith. I hate to have to be the one to break it to you, but you are behind the fucking times, pal. Sure, the Federal Government you worship still occasionally screws the tribes over monetarily, but most of the harm currently being inflicted on the vast majority of tribal members comes from their own corrupt tribal governments. :brood:
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    Sioux is something of a dirty word on the Pine Ridge Reservation, depending on who you talk to. :garamet:
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    Yep. If you want to see a true case of the haves and have nots, take a look at the tiny percentage of indians that are making a killing with the casinos while the rest are in near poverty.
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