Well, out of curiosity, I popped in the old VHS, and its seen better days. Then, lo and behold, SyFy has since played the thing a couple times so I've seen it thrice now this weekend. Well...I go back and forth with this one. Sometimes, I outright loathe it, other times, like now, I appreciate its charms. Oh, don't get me wrong, it still stinks overall. But...it's got good parts. I like the Yosemite park stuff...except the bits that make Chekov and Sulu look dumb... And the bit with Bones's dad is good. And of course "what does God need with a starship?". I dunno, I've excised this from my personal canon for a long damned time, but...with it in canon, Kirk is the guy who said "what does God need with a starship?", and without it, he isn't. I gotta say, I like the timeline better where he is. I can put up with Uhura feather dancing, and Scotty knocking his knoggin' for that.....I think....could turn out to be wrong..... I complained last time I viewed this, about Spock being lame compared to his TOS self...but...I see now, in Nimoy's portrayal across 3,4,5,6, and 11, that um...yeah, between his mindmeld with V'Ger, and his reincarnation, he's reconciled his emotions, and gained a sort of zen serenity, so...I call TOS Spock "Einstein Spock", and post-TSFS Spock "Yoda Spock". TFF Spock is consistent with "Yoda Spock". It's just the script that sucks. So, I forgive Nimoy now. His eyebrows suck in this one though. Shaved off, and penciled back on? The makeup person needs a smack. So, anyway, yeah, I'm contemplating finally upgrading this to DVD now....I gotta see the extras, just for the insights of the making of this thing. Especially Shatner's commentary track. Oh, and SyFy has also been endlessly repeating Nemeshit...Final Frontier looks like fucking Van Gogh next to it.
I like the music too, and I can kind of see what they were aiming for with it, even if they failed. Unlike the shittier TNG movies.
I don't care, I like that scene. And don't pretend like everyone in the audience didn't laugh when it happened!
ST5 ranks up their with Plan 9 From Outer Space and Battlefield Earth as one of the most painfully bad movies ever made. It was godawful on every level, and I don't care how much shit Shatner went through while making the movie, the script sucked and he couldn't direct his way out of a wet paper bag.
The premise of STV was fine, the problem was with the Shat's execution of same, and that's not entirely his fault. Paramount kept cutting the budget on him, so he was limited as to what he could do. (Too bad he couldn't have used Orson Welles trick of sneaking into empty sets and shooting scenes there, while calling it a "rehearsal" so the suits in accounting wouldn't know what he was up to.)
I seem to recall from "Star Trek Movie Memories", that the bean counters were on him like stink on a monkey for that one, and even had a spy or two.
Star Trek V was a mostly good idea plagued by spotty execution and ruthless studio bean-counting. Some of the character moments in it are terrific, although the Uhura/Scotty romantic angle made me shiver. One of my favorite moments in all of Star Trek is where, after Bones' and Spock's secret pains have been revealed, Sybok asks Kirk about his two friends: "This is who they are. Didn't you know that?" and Kirk answers "No. No, I didn't." Overall, I thought it was an interesting concept: the crew of the Enterprise taken on a journey to meet God. A bigger budget would've made for some better effects and a more satisfying conclusion. A few critical changes and this one would move up several notches.
This was on Syfy last night while I was at the gym, and after watching Star Trek III for the first time, I have to say that the odd/even rule needs another looking at. TMP sucked, WOK was great, SFS wasn't that bad, VH was great, FF wasn't as bad as people make it out to be in my opinion, UC was meh, Generations was okay, FC was good, Insurrection and Nemesis were terribad. And I have to echo what Paladin said, the part where Sybok asks Kirk about his friend's pain had a lot of emotional gravity.
I look at ST5 at not bad, so much as - in an ironic sense - the most "old school" of all the movies. which is to say that in relative terms, the script, the effects, the budget, and so forth was more "60's" so I kind of try to look at it more as a latter day TV episode than a movie. I liked the whole opening sequence (except Spock saying "marshmelon" and the Sulu/Checkov bit) right up until Spock sees Sybok. I like the whole jailbreak sequence and didn't mind the head-bump, I liked the "pain" sequence. I like the "What does god need...?" bit. Possibly my favorite moment was [yt=This one]q0m9E1QY-g4[/yt] I even thought the idea of Scotty and Uhura as a couple wasn't a bad idea. Particularly if you pencil in a backstory where both are survivors of other long term relationships. almost all the issues I had with it were relatively minor other than the kinda lame villain. (which is also a 60's-ish characteristic) but then I'm a huge sucker for the "character moments" objectively I can recognize dozens of problems with TUC but emotionally, I enjoy it more than it probably deserves by far.
Whoa! You can get stabbed in the eye in some places around here for saying that! Get out. Leave this bbs and never return.
When I was kid I thought, "Is that how yankees say Marshmallow?" I'm a true True Trek nerd, my main problem is that the turboshaft deck numbers count up in the wrong direction.
You know I believe ST5 might age the worst as well. (barring the TMP uniforms) As more knowledge of cosmology becomes common place people will realize what a monumentally fucking stupid idea traveling to the center of the galaxy is.
I can't remember who here posted it before, but the really bad inconsistencies, like the center of the galaxy, and the Enterprise having 75 decks, can be swept under the rug with "it was all Kirk's dream". The clue is the whole "life is but a dream", deal being reiterated throughout. They really never left the camp site. Kirk was sleeping off McCoy's beans.
totally off topic but - for all yall that have your undies in a bunch about continuity mistakes in AbramsTrek: [yt=Al this has happened before]d1chtJQFQNs&feature=related[/yt] (yes, some of those can be explained away)
that's part of why I say it's a good old-school episode. Remember, an energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy?
A bad idea for a movie with even worse execution. You can have movies that are "bad ideas extremely well executed" like Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. You can have "good ideas that are poorly executed" like Star Trek: The Motion Picture. What you can't have is both the idea and execution being bad at the same time. I for one absolutely HATE the idea of a franchise introducing something brand new into a characters background like Spocks previously never even hinted at brother in this case. Same with the Remans and Picards clone double in Nemesis.
Easily the weakest of the original series movies, but better than the last two TNG movies. It is difficult to watch, but then so are some of the original series episodes. Just add it to the list... Miri And The Children Shall Lead Spock's Brain The Alternative Factor The Way To Eden That Which Survives The Omega Glory Star Trek V and possibly some others I've blocked out of memory.
Oh, come on, how about Spock's never before hinted at fiancée, T'Pring? "Amok Time", is a beloved episode. Okay, THAT they did pull out of their ass. Way too much contrivance, just to introduce what amounts to unfunny Dr. Evil into the Trek universe. And Unfunny Dr. Evil had no connection to Picard like Khan had with Kirk. No emotional investment at all. PPT!
I thought "That Which Survives" was pretty good. Especially the interplay between Spock and Scott where Scotty worked on the engines. Spock's Brain, at least the first half was actually above average. Especially where Kirk basically brainstorms with the Junior officers about where to look for Spock's Brain at. The second half though was almost too bad to watch with zombie Spock being led around by remote control. Although even it featured a really nice Star Trek fistfight. The Alternative Factor was damaged by the editors taking a meat cleaver to the episode to eliminate indications of an interracial relationship between Lazarus and engineering officer McMasters. The Star Trek Compedium refers to this in detail.
Yeah, I like "that which survives", too. Losira is Trek's first automated holo-character. And with disrupter touch to boot.
Interesting. I never knew that. I mostly disliked it because of all the technobabble. I thought there were other interracial couples in the original series... ? Maybe I'm remembering wrong.
I'm on the edge here. By and large, I accept that there MUST be more to the backstory of established characters than is shown on screen. Doubtless, either Sulu or Uhura or Scotty have siblings we don't know about (it's already established that Chekov is an only child). If one of them turned up, no problem. We never saw an episode where they talked about their family, or where their parents visited. However, I have a hard time swallowing HUGE additions that don't fit with the established lore. Sybok is right on the line. Had he been more than a half-brother--had he been the son of Amanda as well--that would've been pushing it too far. Such a character could not be ret-conned plausibly into established lore because there isn't room for him; he simply would've come up before. But all of the dialog concerning Spock's family (especially that from Journey to Babel) leave no room for a full brother. I don't really see why Sybok HAD to be Spock's brother (half or otherwise), anyway. He could've been a cousin or a friend or a teacher or some other role model in Spock's earlier life. He could even have been, plausibly, an uncle: Sarek's younger brother. That would've fit more comfortably.
Agreed. I guess they figured it was the only way they could get theater audiences to swallow him betraying Kirk by not fragging him with the Nimbus III pebble gun.
