Star Trek Into Darkness (spoiler review)

Can't speak for this "Shep" person () but as for me...

much much more so since i didn't defend the Bush administration in any significant way.

On the rare occasion when I appeared to do so it was always in the context of (a) what was the alternative? or (b) your criticism is irrational, there are other much more sensible criticisms.

I DID defend the choice to go to war initially, on the rational that it was the "least bad" option given the unknowns...but otherwise, not really anywhere else.

You don't believe in the sort of human character development which can turn the (for instance) arrogant high school quarterback into a heroic and self sacrificial field surgeon (for instance)?

Often that change climaxes via a moment, as they say, in the crucible. why can't Kirk realistically have a crucible?

There was one thing that did bother me, the music in the club scenes wasn't right. I think it would have been better if they used this music.

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[YT="Even Better Music"]-pNQYHvhnms[/YT]








And is it just me, or does the blonde hippie girl look like she's wearing diapers that she just dropped a load in?

Of course I believe in all of that. I just don't think that being resurrected is the kind of crucible that teaches people they're mortal.

Eh. for me the CHOICE is the crucible, not the unexpected (and unexpectable) outcome.

Ya know, if you were going to recast Khan with no regard for ethnicity at all, you could have done a lot worse (n offense to Cumberbatch) than Chiwetel Ejiofor

Exactly! So Kirk didn't have to die for the coming of age plot to work.

Well, an arrogant little prick doesn't have to die to learn anything. Would have been enough if Khan had taken him on a wild ride with no chance of Kirk winning. Only a team effort... and so on and so forth.

Picard did.

A talented actor, sure, but I can't pronounce his name, so he should go away. :berman:

And here's another can of worms Trek has never faced up to.

For a transporter to work from orbit, means they can scan you inside and out down to the electrons and quarks from thousands of miles away, and through walls.

With transwarp beaming, now it's light years.

This should have utterly destroyed privacy.

And, scientists have recently extracted images from the brain with just an old fashioned MRI.

Hook that software up to a transporter scanner, and there's no way they aren't reading minds.

The state can find you anywhere, surveil you at all times, read your thoughts, your dreams, nothing is yours.
No moment, no thought.

And now layer on to that that Section 31 exists.

Pretty fucking chilling.

And he didn't!




(Seriously, consider it a "near death" experience as implied by McCoy if you want)

I was always under the impression that the transporter used the communicator's signal to find the beaming target. That is to say, I thought it couldn't simply scan and find somebody without local assistance.

And nothing will ever come of it unless they do a new DS9 type show. Which won't happen since DS9 never was the lowest common denominator

it rhymes with "Ghepetto"
Chew-ettol EDGY o-for

The rules on the transporter have been somewhat, ah, flexible over the years.

From what has been shown (mostly) and what has been written about in semi-canonical books about the technology, this is how I gather a transporter works:

Several things bother me in the new films...

"They're moving around, I can't beam them up!" (e.g., falling Kirk and Sulu, fighting Khan and Spock) Uh, the starship in orbit must be moving at a relative velocity of thousands of miles per hour; I doubt the few miles an hour a person can move is going to be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Beaming from a planet onto a ship at warp (e.g., Kirk and Scotty beam onto the Enterprise). Given what we know about sensors in Star Trek, there is no conceivable way the transporter could scan the area the subject was beaming into. This implies that transport is somewhat ballistic: you throw a disassembled person at a location and--voila!--the person reassembled when their atoms are in the right place. But what if the starship changed course? What if the subject materializes inside a bulkhead? Or in space?

Beaming from one star system to another (e.g., when Harrison beams to Kronos). This one is REALLY problematic. How could the transporter know ANYTHING about the destination site? Does Starfleet keep accurate-to-the-millimeter maps of the Klingon homeworld? I wish they had some kind of explanation for this, like Harrison had set up a transport relay system or something.

I'm sure in the various series, we've had multiple examples of things/people beamed up without having a communicator or similar to lock on to.

People have given coordinates, but even with those it seems like there would need to be some level of scanning to determine where those coordinates are and wha precisely gets beamed.

I decline comment other than to say I'm glad that fucker is dead.