Star Trek: Picard.

You're already forgiven, you don't have to pull a ret-con.

Don't you mean WAB's posting distinctiveness has been added to FF's own?

Relics, Part II.

It seems like most folks here and on another message board I frequent think that Picard hasn't really carried the ball this entire season except for those hits of sweet, sweet nostalgia, but were hoping for the last two to really tie everything together, and as of the ninth episode have abandoned all hope.

I haven't really seen much in the way of fans ignoring the many nonsensical plots and character diversions and the focus on Jack.

It wouldn't be the real Enterprise D captain's chair without The Boy sitting on it and touching something he's not supposed to.

Actually, I wouldn't put it past them to turn the finale into Battle Of The Crusher Boys with Wes coming back to fuck up Jack with his Traveller powers until baby bro snaps out of it and helps sabotage the Borg from within.

It worked on Supernatural.

Shit up, Wesley!

I want to see Janeway show up and slap the shit out of Jack until he stands down.

"You hit me! Picard never hit me!"

He probably could design a tractor beam that would shove crap back up the poop-hole, but I think you just don't spell very good.

I dunno, everyone keeps saying Janeway, but Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan are the new Shatner and Takei.
Ryan could be a pro, and tolerate Mulgrew, but the writers must know, and don't want the awkwardness.
Janeway could show up in a surprise upset, but I won't hold my breath for it.

With the current set up of Seven on the Titan and Picard and the Ent-D crew on the Ent-D, it's perfectly plausible that they could have Janeway be on the show but not interact with Seven. It's also possible that there will be just a viewscreen interaction between Seven and Janeway, which would not require the two actors to be in the same room together or even to film the scene together. It's also possible that TPTB don't care about actor drama and just want to set nostalgia to maximum (even if a fair percentage of TNG fans are indifferent or actively hostile to Janeway).

I gotta say that I'm not getting all the Capt. Shaw love I see around here. I guess he's OK but for the most part he got on my nerves. It makes sense that the stood up to Picard & Riker earlier in the season but for the most part, he's been an uncurious bastard, IMHO. Didn't deserve to die though.

Not gonna lie... This was pretty much me.

I mean at this point I'm solely on this for nostalgia purposes, there's very little in this show that makes sense to me, Picard's son and the old cat lady villian are two of the worst characters in Trek history but hot damn it's an hour where I can drink wine and shut off my mind

While the writers have been seriously short changing both Shaw and Seven (and Shelby) to elevate Jack and the TNG cast, the actor has done a good job of playing as a regular, fairly relatable guy caught up in the middle of an absurd TNG plot. And even when he's been a dick, he's almost always been right.

Fuck Shelby, never liked her. Besides, I heard she scissored Admiral Nechayev to get her career fast tracked

Yeah, but Nechayev could turn anyone's head.

Right off, if they got on her bad side.

I'm fine with Admiral Shelby dying horribly so that Picard can take command of the fleet eventually, the same thing happened in First Contact.

What I don't like is that she just stood there and let herself get shot. If they'd shown her going down fighting, or at least running towards her ready room, I could live with that. She came up through the tactical track as an anti-Borg specialist, FFS. She shouldn't just stand around panicking like a civilian.

At least Ro died like a true Bajoran, in an improvised bomb attack.

He he's a deadpan, sarcastic prick with no patience for anyone's bullshit. I can appreciate that.

Naw, Mulgrew has legitimately taken ownership that 90 percent of that fued was all her being angry at Jeri Ryan existing rather than the shitty creators shafting her for sex appeal and they are genuinely cordial with one another.

The Shat has no such self awareness.

I'd speak on why I think he's gotten hype, but it's media central, sooooo....

Independent of that, I am sick of the "redemption at death" trope, especially when none of that was especially earned.

Last I saw, Mulgrew wanted to bury the hatchet, but Ryan was like "....nah, I'm good ".
That was an old convention video; maybe things have changed?

On one hand, Shaw as a character seems to share so much of his DNA with early Sisko that I wouldn't be surprised if Matalas didn't at least briefly consider bringing back Avery Brooks.

On the other hand, it's not hard to spot all the dudes that hate Raffi for daring to sass Picard while finding it cool and charming when Shaw does it. But then Shaw also keeps getting beaten and bloodied onscreen while Raffi generally looks tough, so maybe that makes him seem less threatening to some people?

That could actually make for a good plot... if it was foreshadowed or there were Wesley scenes beforehand

Raffi sassing Picard is a good thing, imo.

TNG desperately needed a Raffi character, someone to call Picard on his and Starfleet's bullshit. Q tried, but it didn't have the same impact since he was a "bad guy."

Lily from FC.

Guianan.

No. Guinan was gentle and polite and supportive. I'm talking about characters like Spock, McCoy, Odo, Quark, Garak, Kira, Seven, T'Pol, characters that could say "what you're doing is stupid, captain," or "humans fuckin' suck, y'know." Guinan was never that person, at least not until PIC made her young and thin and fuckable for a brief period in the 21st century.

I tend to mostly interact with Trekdom on Twitter and the Lower Decks Discord, which skews much younger than TBBS. The people under 30 there largely go for any other classic Trek show EXCEPT for TNG, citing it's flat characterization and fairly problematic writing (or lack thereof) for women.

I won't lie, there's a reason ENT grabbed my attention at 15 and not TNG

TNG is also extremely talky and dry. One thing Voyager got right was trying to throw at least a little action into every episode.