Thank you. Using a different actress for Guinan even though Goldberg played the character more than a hundred years before this time period was bothering me, but your explanation nullifies my objection.
One that I first saw on Twitter: the license plate on Guinan's Bronco is S02-E01. The character first appeared on TNG in the first episode of season two. One I noticed myself: the author of the Dixon Hill novel is Tracy Tormé, former TNG writer from the first two seasons (and son of The Velvet Fog). There was also the Saurian brandy bottle in Guinan's bar (or, given the time frame, it could just be a sixty year old bottle of George Dickel whiskey )
Ya'll's some bitch ass motherfuckers who need to turn in their nerd cards. Skip to the ~3:50 mark and you'll see Guinan in the Nexus, explaining to Picard how things work. You know when the last time I watched the film was? November 1994 in the motherfucking theater! And while we're on the subject, let me just point out the weird-ass shit we see in that scene, as well as the next one. First of all, Guinan's wearing a fairly unique outfit, that I don't think we saw her wear in any of the episodes or elsewhere in the movie, despite being in the "perfect Victorian Christmas card," Picard's still in uniform. Dafuq? Oh, and Picard just finds himself in the middle of that Christmas, nothing about him meeting his wife, them boinking, and having all those crotch goblins. This means they were immaculately conceived, either via the Force or with Jebus magic. Next, since that clip ends at the beginning of the next scene, we get to see Picard walking up to Kirk, who is also in uniform while otherwise being in a fantasy world of his ideal life. Part of which is clearly designed to show the insecure Shat being all macho and chopping wood. Kirk then tells Picard that he's planning on telling his wife that he's going to rejoin Starfleet, so WTF is he in uniform???
There's an episode of MTV's Liquid Television had a weird animated bit that involved Mel Torme, and that's all I can think about whenever I hear his name.
Y'all, I figured it out. The date of the timeline divergance is April 15, 2024... which is Tax Day. Someone didn't get their tax refund and went Rambo
He's better known as the creator of Sliders, one of the coolest concepts ever for a television series that, unfortunately, choked in execution. Thanks, FOX!
Really tough to get past young looking not Guinan. It just seems stupid. Should've just de-aged Whoopi
They CGI-ed an entire young Arnold terminator more than once. It could be done. Should have been done.
I’m guessing there were scheduling issues and a lot of the budget goes to Patrick Stewart so they probably had to skimp on the cgi.
I missed the obvious reference. They were able to make Spiner resemble Data again. Not perfect, but better than recasting an ageless android.
Data was also a lot more stationary and didn't really appear in much of the show. It seems like Guinan is going to be showing up in multiple episodes in a bunch of different conditions. They could have gone the Luke Skywalker route and deepfaked a young Whoopi's face onto the actress, but TBH I think that would have been more distracting.
that was my one comment on this in the Facebook groups - on the whole I think people are overthinking it rather than just rolling with "different timeline shit" BUT the question "if you go back in time from a busted timeline to a point BEFORE the divergence, do you remember the good timeline or the one you came from or both?" (notwithstanding Picard & Co. being wholly aware of the good one) To me, quite apart from this plot, THAT is an actually interesting philosophical question.
Well, you use a body double and put Whoopi's face on, like they did for Luke. Not that I really care about the new actress. Recasting is a thing now.
if there's anything that deserves a high concept revival...just sitting right there. Massive potential.
TBH I'm happy with the new Guinan actress. My headcanon says she'll regenerate into Whoopi!Guinan down the line
There are so many other variables than just the even that should happen "in 3 days". This Picard and company are already in an alternate universe in which the crew of the Enterprise D did not travel back to San Francisco in the 1880s. Also, we're supposed to think Q has some sort of dementia going on so God knows what all he screwed up.
I don't quite follow that logic. If this is an alternate universe where the events of TNG never happened, why go back to the past and concern yourself with an event that diverged timelines at all? Without that, it's just another "mirror universe" plot and there's no need to time travel all. Simply get back to your universe.
The world of 2024 apparently wasn't dependent on any paradoxes from interference in the future. So either with or without the events of Times Arrow, things would have been in a state where the 24th century we've seen in TNG cod develop from it. If Picard and co fix the timeline then their future will occur and the time travel from that period will also have taken place. If they don't fix it then the bad future will occur, those time travel stories we've seen don't happen.
Starfleet can't dial up universes like a TV tuner. All they know how to do is the traditional mirror universe, and all the ways to get there were found by accident.
