Star Trek: Strange New Worlds [SPOILERS]

I loved that in the 1701 scenes of DISCO. for a guy who once said he'd never be used to women on the bridge, Pike sure had a bridge full of'em.

as we're back to the present, won't JT Kirk still be several years younger and on the Republic or teaching?

I think it was a Peter David novel where an assembled crowd is addressed by Data as "ladies, gentlemen, and non binary...". I forget exactly, as it was well over 25 years ago.

On screen, what do you think the "cogenitor" was on ENT? Let alone the Andorians four step reproduction?

Ever wonder what kind of entitlement goes behind getting upset over others wanting to enjoy the same rights as you and then calling them entitled? It's like you want to bring the series to a halt because it dares to focus on anyone different from you.

It was an episode! It was one of the ones where he did a violin concert.
Thanks for jogging my memory!
....but not enough for me to nail which episode...

What the hell does this have to do with rights?

Also, Cogenitor was boring and tedious.

Which is completely different from bringing countless threads to a halt to focus pointless amounts of attention on yourself.

If Trek has room for entire episodes about Picard getting a girlfriend, or Crusher fucking a ghost, or Janeway fucking a hologram, or Tom Paris and The Doctor trying to reenact She's All That with Seven, or Worf marrying Dax, or Worf repeatedly trying to be a less shitty single parent, or Data getting a girlfriend, or Data also trying to be a single parent, or Worf and Dax trying to have a sexy vacation, or Riker having daddy issues, or Riker and Troi and Riker getting into a love triangle, or Spock trying to get laid, then I'm sure there's room for the personal lives of some non-binary characters to get a little attention too.

It was Star Wreck: Nemisis and the line was "Ladies and gentlemen, and invited transgendered species."



See 3:19.

THAT'S why I couldn't remember.
Nemesis is in a trauma box.

that too, but I'm thinking of "Federation" by the Reeves-Stevenseseseses.
Possibly wasn't Data though...

so as long as we pretend certain types of people don't exist, we can presume they're afforded equality? hows that worked out for securing equal protection under the law for "those types"...and within most of our adult lifetimes?

And seriously... you calling anything "boring and tedious" is just too easy.

It's been a while since I've watched Turnabout Intruder, but Kirk seems to take Janice Lester's "it's not fair women can't be captains" line seriously, which is no doubt how it was originally intended.

However, it could be interpreted in the same way someone might indulge an incel today where it's not worth the breath to try to show them that maybe women aren't lining up to sleep with them is not because women are evil temptresses but because the incels are scumbuckets. In other words, by saying it wasn't fair, Kirk was just going .

Part of it is also that they used to date. I'm sure Kirk knew very well how futile it is to try correcting an angry bitter ex when they're complaining about something.

"Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women" also lines up with that "Kirk's true love was the Enterprise itself" analysis of TOS. It also could have been an excuse he used while dumping her.

I took it partially as that, and that her general nuttiness also meant that Kirk was so focused on his career, it left no place for a serious relationship with Janice.

Dr. Janice Lester: The year we were together at Starfleet is the only time in my life I was alive.

Captain James T. Kirk: I never stopped you from going on with your space work.

Dr. Janice Lester: Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women. It isn't fair.

Captain James T. Kirk: No, it isn't, and you punished and tortured me because of it.

She said "your world" not ""the world", so she was harboring resentment to Kirk and his focus on Starfleet and career at the time.

Not to mention Starfleet didn't allow officers serving on ships to bring their families with them back then, so unless he took a post at a starbase she couldn't have stayed with him. But of course, Kirk always had his eye on the captain's chair.

Only the invited trannies! Ladies and gentlemen had no qualifiers! Perfect!

I am they. You are they. We are all they.

Drop all gender pronouns. Simplify, don't complicate. We don't need a billion different subsets of human - we're not that fucking special.

We Are Borg

Farragut. But otherwise, yes.

He's apparently a Lt. at this point. (there are some shitty clickbait articles out there assuming he's captain of the Farragut but no one trustworthy reports that)

yeah, 2259 so he's still an Lt., only a couple years out of the academy.

Maybe in JJ'verse he's captain at 26... but SNW is set in the prime (along with DISCO before they caved to the hate )

The words I "need" to use are nobody else's fucking business.

I highly doubt a fad from the 2010s/2020s is going to be around in 200 years from now. This is just pandering to the one percent of the one percent.

But "fuck" "shit" "Hell" "damn" "merde" flat viewscreens, and natural redheads are going to make it.
Shaddap, ya dummy!

Yes it’s more believable and more likely those words and terms will exist far in the future. This non binary crap will pass, it’s just a phase that humanity is going through right now.

In 200 years from now, we’ll probably not be human anymore.

Boomers said that shit about the internet.
Make up your mind, are you 8, or 70?

I actually tend to agree with this. Some of the shit I've read about the decline of population/effects of climate change/countries and economies collapsing/acute food and water shortages.....man, pronouns are going to be the last fucking thing on our minds

kinda the opposite, no?
I mean, all that gender identity stuff from the first 50 years of psychology got burned in Berlin during the 30s.

far from a fad, more like a rediscovering of suppressed science.

Also gotta consider that outside of western christian values, gender spectrums and fluidity have been the norm in many civilizations.

If you're talking about non-binary and similar types of people being some sort of fad, your ignorance is showing again. There have been people that didn't conform to gender norms as far back as there are records of people at all.

"Gamesters Of Triskeliion" had the yellow chick with the pitched down voice that Chekov thought was icky.
They played her for cheap laughs.
I guess that's how enbees are meant to be treated in FF's ideal Trek.

Indeed, no matter how much any given individual might rage that they are not religious, if they are pimping strict gender binary rolls and presentation - guess what? You're evangelizing Christian tradition whether you know it or not.

well, western/abrahamic...Islam and Israel are just as obtuse, and I don't really know enough about eastern religions to comment on how their traditional medical sciences perceived gender in relation to sexuality? I do, however, know a thing or two about ancient (readolytheist) cultures and cosmology, and it's rare not to find at least one gender fluid/intersexed deity in most of them.
I wonder if that's relevant? that with the advent of monotheism a culture's perception becomes likewise limited as humanity asserts itself over nature?