Stop: Grammar Time

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  1. Patch

    Patch Version 2.7

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    I'm only vaguely familiar with the rule regarding "a" vs. "an".

    To my knowledge, it is only objects starting with a vowel that receive an "an" (e.g. an orange). If this is the rule, then I guess I can let it go, but it always bothers me to hear phrases such as "I bought a HDTV." The aytch sound starts with a vowel, worse yet an a, and makes the speaker sound uneducated (to me).

    Am I wrong here?
  2. Vignette

    Vignette In Limbo

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    In the states, we are sometimes (I believe incorrectly) taught that anytime something starts with an H, you are to say an. I don't know why. It would be an honor is clearly correct. I saw an hologram is clearly not. :( Or is it the other way around? I don't even know, I just say what sounds right, because I thought that was the way you were supposed to do it.
  3. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Silent "H" = "an"

    Hard "H" = "a"

    "Honor" is pronounced on or and thus gets an "an" in front of it. "Hologram" is pronounced hoe low gram and gets an "a".

    Or, it's American english and shouldn't be examined too closely, else you may go mad.
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  4. Patch

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    Another good example, but still falls in line with my thinking- if it starts with a vowel sound, not just a vowel, it gets the "an" treatment.

    Honor sounds like onner.

    Hologram sounds like.... well, like its spelled.

    ..... Then there is Y to consider. A yard, not an yard. Still though, Y can be both and it sounds like a soft J which is a consonant.
  5. Jenee

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    "American" English?

    Who do you think we learned it from?

    All English lacks logic.
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  6. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    ^^^ Yeah, but the Brits at least have a cool accent to go along with the madness.
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  7. Hood

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    It's a holdover from Norman French. The most common words -- such as hospital and hotel -- are of French derivation and are spoken with a vowel sound in French.
  8. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Unvoiced h (hour, honor, etc.) gets an "an." Voiced h (hold-up, hangar, etc.) get an "a." Some exceptions might apply.

    I do say "an historical event," but maybe it should be "a historical event." You wouldn't say "I bludgeoned an hippie," would you?
  9. Marso

    Marso High speed, low drag.

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    Why would you bludgeon a hippie anyway if you could burn them?
  10. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Good point.

    Does that make a hippie flammable or inflammable?
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  11. Yelling Bird

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    In these kinds of situations, just do what you think sounds best and arrogantly defend it as the only correct way.
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  12. Nova

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    Incorrect.

    It should be:

    "Stop! Grammar time!"

    :grammartime:
  13. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    The very words I live by.

    :D
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  14. Robotech Master

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    We should all learn Mandarin Chinese.

    It's the only way to be sure.
  15. Marso

    Marso High speed, low drag.

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    Doesn't matter how you say it as long as you use liberal amounts of gasoline. :devil:
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  16. Yelling Bird

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    My personal rule concerning this issue is this: if you are in a situation where you're unsure whether you should use "a" or "an", use the one that is easiest to pronounce.
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  17. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    "Liberal" amounts? :unsure:
  18. Jenee

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    I think the phrase he was looking for was "to spread liberally"
  19. Speck

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    I keep reading the title as Stop! Tamar Time!
  20. blogposter12

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    If it sounds like a vowel, go with an "an". if not, go with the the "a".